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Dark Chocolate and CFS Study

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Seattle Sue, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. Dorothy Finnigan

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    Chocolate is extremely high in oxalates - a molecule that some of us may have problems with. So, if your oxalic acid - and other markers of oxalates are high - be careful! Chocolate could wreak havoc on your system in the long-run. There are many people with FM/CFS on the Trying Low Oxalates yahoo group who have recovered greatly (improved energy, less muscle pain, etc.) by reducing oxalates in their diet. I'd recommend looking into oxalate biochemistry before embarking on a high-chocolate diet! :)

    You may feel a boost of energy in the short-term, but do damage in the long-term.
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  2. HowToEscape?

    HowToEscape? Senior Member

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    How would one know if one is has an issue with oxalates? There are 100's of "just trust me" dietary fixes for us. The only one I know of with a clear basis (other than avoiding junk food) is that people with a broken methylation cycle digest protein better than carbs or fats, and thus need a higher proportion than they would otherwise.
  3. Sallysblooms

    Sallysblooms P.O.T.S. now SO MUCH BETTER!

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    Oxalates are in MANY foods. Really healthful ones like spinach. I have kidneys stones all the time so I watch it a bit and do everything I can, but it is in a ton of the great foods we need to eat. I just eat everything in moderation. Like tea, my Urologist said I can drink it, just not daily. I always make great healthful dark chocolate candy and eat a little daily, just as I have my supplements. It is so good for me.
  4. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    Oh No! There may be a chocolate shortage. Chocolate producers around the world are facing problems and there may not be enough chocolate. On a more serious note, this is bad news for the chocolate producers and the economies of the countries where they reside.
  5. Dorothy Finnigan

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    You're right to be wary of "just trust me" dietary fixes. :) I'm not advocating that by a long-shot. :) In my experience, the 2 most helpful things I've done for my health have been 1) Doing a Methylation Panel and having Dr. Rich analyze it, and 2) Doing an OAT (Organic Acids Test) and having Susan Costen Owens analyze it.

    Susan Owens is a brilliant researcher, who, like Rich, was able to synthesize data across disciplines. She has a great deal of understanding about basic biochemical pathways like the transsulfuration pathway, folate metabolism, and methylation cycle. Dr. Rich's knowledge of methylation was even deeper in some ways, but Susan does cover some biochemical ground that Dr. Rich didn't. They really complimented one another well, and I'm sad they never had a chance to meet.

    One of Susan's many areas of expertise is oxalates. She's not someone who thinks "low-oxalate-diets can cure everyone" - not at all. She's just a scientist who looks at the data and gives recommendations based on it. In fact, I don't have markers for high-oxalates, but my partner does (he may produce them endogenously). She was able to give me a lot of other information about my biochemistry though, and that's led to changes in supplements and diet that have helped tremendously. :)

    By the way, she has a database of 500 OATs from people whose results she's analyzed. It's neat, because she's been able to spot trends and make discoveries based on her sample-size! And, medium-high to high oxalate levels is one of the things she has noticed time and time again.
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  6. Marg

    Marg Senior Member

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    I once read that craving chocolate is a sign of magnessium deficiency. We most tend to be low in magnessium.
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    Theres always a chocolate shortage in my house :(
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  8. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    I wonder whose fault that is. :p
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    beaverfury beaverfury

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    The Colombians! :)
  10. Dolphin

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    I submitted this comment back in Dec 2010. Unfortunately the journal never put it up. I thought I'd post it here now, just to put it on the record:


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  11. Allyson

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    I agree with this Whit, i get quite a boost from good dark chocolate - that wears off after a few hours like coffee does. It also keeps me awake if I eat it in the afterneoon after about 3 pm.

    Caffeine is also a powerful vasoconstrictor and for those of us that may have a collagen defect resulting in faulty blood vessels as one of the key causes of our ME this could impact on that.

    (The vasoconstricting effect of caffeine are so strong that plastic surgeons ban it for two weeks in the diet of patients who have had skin grafts and other similar surgery such as limb transplants as it retards healing and can prevent a graft or transplant from taking.)

    see this thread for more details on that inadequate vasoconstricion topic.

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...-ehelrs-danlos-syndrome-stretchy-veins.20351/
  12. Marlène

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    I love it! Only after a week of non stop eating I tend to have candida-like explosion.
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    I think the positive benefit may be due to the histamine released by chocolate. Of course, many people also have histamine problems or maybe histamine intolerant, but it can do many amazing things.

    Histamine Rich Foods
    Take a look at the list of histamine rich foods presented in this article. Histamine plays an important role in immune response of the body, controls sleep, orgasm and also promotes digestion.
    So, maybe if the chocolate runs out, could move onto pineapple alcohol?
  14. HowToEscape?

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    O/T Dorothy --- thanks for the tip re OAT. I'm on Enlander's protocol. This has helped get me to some level of function, about 20% of my previous normal, which isn't enough to manage life. That is the first I've heard of it, do you mind if I PM for more details?
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    I found this interesting: Consumption of cocoa flavanols results in an acute improvement in visual and cognitive functions.
    An then this: Cocoa as an antioxidant

    In case anyone was looking at how to get 720 mg of CF, may want to look here for starters: Hershey Center for Health & Nutrition

    Have not done all the math, but it looks like it could ultimately be a rather laborious task to get all that chocolate to fit into an otherwise healthy diet.
  17. Mouse girl

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    Yep, dark chocolate, big fan. Only yummy thing I can eat that doesn't have bad side effects for me. I have loads of food sensitivities, but not to dark chocolate! I had a CFS doc recommend the 70% to me as I had a glycemic problem at the time. Been in love ever since. :thumbsup:
  18. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    The Hershey Center for Health and Nutrition - that's my kind of place! I have wondered if cocoa powder had the same beneficial phytochemicals as dark chocolate. It looks like it does. I may try to make more healthful candy by using cocoa and sweetening it with stevia. In the winter, I could use coconut oil for fat.
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  19. Mij

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    You can make your own chocolate bars, squares etc with Raw Chocolate Powder (Cacao Powder). I mix it with OVCO, yacon syrup, cacao butter and sprinkle with course himalayan sea salt. The ingredients may seem a little expensive at first but they last a long time. I sometimes mash in medjool dates as a natural sweetner. It's full of antioxidants, magnesium etc Very healthy and tastes wonderful.
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  20. Mouse girl

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    Wow, you guys are way more ambitious than me! But, I absolutely hate cooking. And funny thing too, is stevia makes me sick, but not the regular sugar in my yummy 70% chocolate. I like the taste of stevia too and don't have sugar in anything else I eat, just my delicious chocolate. I eat it everyday, have been for years.

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