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Dad who thought he was dying stole £150,000 from his employers

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Firestormm, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Firestormm

    Firestormm Senior Member

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  2. peggy-sue

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    Oh great. Now we'll all get called a load of nasty names because of this.
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  3. shannah

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    More bad press - just what we need!
  4. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    yeah, sick man goes bananas...he gets court and jail
    bankers steal billions, rig the markets, deal with terrorists and cartels that behead women, and they get nothing: "too big to jail"

    *makes universal sign in the air for "self pleasuring"*
    Business as usual in bullshit Britain!
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  5. Marco

    Marco Old blackguard

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    Absolute nonsense.

    'Living life to the full' is exactly what ME/CFS deprives you of regardless of money.

    Holidays were an early casualty for me when affordability wasn't an issue.

    Who's making this stuff up?
  6. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    The problem is that the people is gonna think that his sicknes was indeed being bananas in the first place... more bad press indeed
    On a side note, I had a fantasy about all bankers getting CFS :p
  7. Firestormm

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    He didn't go to jail His sentence was suspended because of his diagnosis and (presumably) his state of health - though it is interesting that no reference is made to a medical report.

    Also his diagnosis was seen as a key influence on his decision to commit fraud and theft. If his defence that this diagnosis would be a death sentence was really believed: I wonder where he got the idea that ME was fatal?

    Da internet?
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  8. Marco

    Marco Old blackguard

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    That was my first thought. Evil internet self-help groups convinced this poor man that he was going to die. Another straw man?

    Plus the judge was so impressed by his medical plight (a condition whose cardinal symptom is easy physical and mental fatigueability) that his mitigated sentence was 240 hours of unpaid work?

    Judicial CBT and GET?
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  9. SickOfSickness

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    He probably felt like he was dying.
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  10. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    ME can kill you. It wasn't far off killing me a couple of times, three if you count a suicide attempt. So he wasn't necessarily wrong.
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    Wow 240 hours of unpaid work.....for CFS/ME the prison sentence might have been easier since many feel they are prisoners already (to body and home), judge was apparently empathetic but once again really did not 'get it'. However it appears he was able to work.
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    interesting that he didn't spend any of that money on medical treatments
  13. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    We don't know that he didn't, do we? Remember - this is the UK media, who cannot be trusted to report facts accurately. But the man may have been told that there were no treatments, and believed it.
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2013
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  14. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    Although he may not end up dying from CFS, it is certainly possible that he will become increasingly disabled over the next decade because of disease progression, as this is what happens to a significant proportion of patients.

    What he did was wrong, but unless there are treatment breakthroughs in this coming decade, he may indeed look back in 10 years time and feel that he made the most of the remaining capacity he had left in the earlier stages of illness.
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    I was thinking that was quite surprising, but then again I bet there are people who have spent that sort of money on treatment with nothing to show for it who wish they had spent it on family holidays.
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    yeah there isn't any "true" treatment for this damn illness.
    there's various things that seem to work for some folk
    possibility retrovirals and rituximab may work
    but there's no specific, proven, true treatment, so it would be a lottery
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  17. Firestormm

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    They will I am sure seek to recover the debt in some way. If he owns his house perhaps they will go after that? Leaving one's family destitute is not perhaps something to look back on with fondness.

    And he now has a record - criminal I suppose?

    I wonder how he explained the windfall to his family?

    Of course his rationale in court could be a load of bollocks. His defence seems to have worked though - at least it kept him out of prison. I suppose the Community Work order is similarly suspended pending improvement in health.
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    He's lucky they didn't sentence him to a year of graded exercise.
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  19. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    :lol:
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    They can't blame it on the internet then.

    If he had looked and joined groups he would maybe have spent it all on the Lightning Process or any of the other money depleting quack "quick fixes" that abound in the UK.
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