Its interesting seeing whats going on here, one big question that keeps being asked is why would anyone not want to find xmrv. The battle of words that is increasingly hotting up here elsewhere is proof that indeed, egos ( on both sides ) need defending at all cost. No one wants to be the loser in this battle of words, battle of science, battle of validation or not, and to try to find xmrv at all costs, or try to prove its a contaminate AT ALL COSTS. This really isnt how this science should be addressed. why ? Because when ego takes over, and losing face becomes more important than actual good solid correct science, then thats science with a agenda, its science of trying to prove something even if the evidence is misleading, or possibly contradictory. Its not science of the truth, but science of the, we must find a way to win the argument at all costs. this IS BIASED SCIENCE, science with a ego agenda. and its a very dangerouse way to look for the truth. In a hurry to be so vindicated means they make mistakes, it means they do certain things to get the answer there egos are ultimately craving. If something could be done differently, to get a different result. one which the ego does not want, then that test will not be performed in preferance for the other one. That is heading for the goal of there EGO VALIDATION, this is the worst science that could ever be happing on a important issue such as this, and one i think that everybody on both sides should be ashamed of, because its clouding the truth, its manipulating the truth, its leading to decisions being made that will likely back up the egos thirst for being correct, thirst for not losing face, thirst for looking so blatently wrong to our peers. And the discussions here tonight once and for all proves to me that actually could be happening in labs around the world as we speak. if things can get this bad, on a forum, god knows the power of the ego, with scientists having to answer to there peers, the media the world stage. Its just starting to get frightening now, seeing all this pan out on a ME forum. No wonder everything is so confused. when the science of the caring, has now been replaced by the science of the ego. We are all in trouble if this doesnt stop. but its all gone too far hasnt it. To many statements have been made. Your either on that side of the fence with us, or your with the enemy. Only problem is depending on which side of the fence your sitting on. BOTH SIDES IS NOW THE ENEMY. Maybe we need a boxing match, and then can actually get on with finding the truth for sick people. one that will likely find the truth. Not a ego driven truth, that could be falsehoods in the making, ( Again from both sides ) in so many different ways. Its just frightening, really it is. Unity from patients, unity from scientists, what a joke. theres one thing thats become painfully obviouse, one thats uniting everyone here, and likely in labs around the world if this is anything to go by. yeah that word again EGO. God help us all. I suspect eco climber is telling the truth, as the ego will be badly bruised when it becomes obviouse he is not. But personally we will have to have the information verified, as often people can misinterpret what they think was said to them. lets hear it from the horses mouth first before we panic.