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Crawley lied: No harassment reports (Bristol University)

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Demepivo, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Demepivo

    Demepivo Dolores Abernathy

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    A Tymes Trust Freedom of Information request has revealed no reported harassment of staff by a third party (not connected with University) 2010-2017

    ie Esther Crawley never reported any cases of harassment to her university.

    http://www.tymestrust.org/pdfs/noharassmentbristol.pdf



     
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  2. Demepivo

    Demepivo Dolores Abernathy

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  3. RogerBlack

    RogerBlack Senior Member

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    Haven't there been other researchers claiming things that would have to have formal procedures instigated at their university - wasn't there a claim of opening mail?
     
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  4. GreyOwl

    GreyOwl Dx: strong belief system, avoidance, hypervigilant

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    "...raises questions about such accusations and about those who make them".

    Delusional, paranoid, convinced of their own power or divinity. I'm sure there is a psych diagnosis that covers all those.
     
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  5. Alvin2

    Alvin2 If humans were rational...

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    A doctor peddling in alternative facts, surely not. :rofl:
    It is we who must be wrong :whistle:
     
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  6. justy

    justy Donate Advocate Demonstrate

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    Perhaps the TEDx people should be aware of this information?
     
  7. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl Senior Member

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    Yes, it should be sent to the TEDx organisers.
     
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  8. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

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    The ME organizations should put a
    Difamation and character damage law suit. Is not about the law suit but a light to the lies of
    This women and invite all press to bring all the psy shananigans to the
    Light
     
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  9. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Senior Member

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    Wow, this is big news and should be circulated far and wide.

    Tymes Trust deserve kudos and our thanks for chasing up this information.
     
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  10. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl Senior Member

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    I have sent it to David Tuller.

    It might make his day.:lol:
     
  11. Jenny TipsforME

    Jenny TipsforME Senior Member

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    Is it possible it was something before Sept 2010? Was that the month SMILE was announced? I’m thinking the month SMILE funding was announced would have been the likely time this happened, if it did ever happen.

    Obviously pre 2010 and then no harassment would be so old it isn’t appropriate content to use to slur patients in 2017, but trying to get a sense of if there’s any plausible explanation. Most things coming from BPS crowd/SMC seem to be spun in an unusual interpretation rather than being provable outright lies.
     
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    Mithriel Senior Member

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    EC classes the disdain we have for her research as harassment. She thinks that petitions to stop her research is harassment and contacting ethics committees or Barnardos or the NSPCC about her work because we think it is a form of child abuse is harassment.

    So there is a lot of it about.
     
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  13. Skycloud

    Skycloud Senior Member

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    Well done Tymes Trust. I hope this was widely re-tweeted (I'm not on twitter)
     
  14. ukxmrv

    ukxmrv Senior Member

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    There is no law in the UK that covers defamation of a group of disabled people. I tried for a year to get a "human rights" lawyer interested
     
  15. RogerBlack

    RogerBlack Senior Member

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    As a general point, the law on the UK on disability that might sort-of-apply is in three categories - none of which apply.
    Judicial review - A review of a decision of a public body (none involved).
    Disability hate crime - any crime, due to hating the disabled, or a group of them. (no specific crime has occurred).
    Libel/slander - while this is a criminal offence, proving it is hard, and the lie told must be both knowing, provably untrue and of a specific person causing them damage.

    Then there is the more general non-criminal sanction against a doctor - 'bringing the profession into disrepute' - this is where the doctors registration body in the UK agrees that the actions fell so far short of what is expected of a doctor in public life that they are no longer fit to practice.

    The first three don't apply, as the narrow category each accepts does not apply in the case of someone making arguably incorrect speeches.

    The last is extremely problematic and probably practically impossible unless you can get a sympathetic review board, and this seems unlikely at the moment.
     
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  16. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

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    How is this one hard to prove? We have slides and public account of she saying she was threaten. and we have the court determination that no threats were done, Also the inquiry proving so.
     
  17. ukxmrv

    ukxmrv Senior Member

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    You need to be specif about what law you think she is breaking.

    The UK defamation and libel laws are for individuals and not groups of disabled people i.e. one can slander an individual but not a disabled group as that is not an offence
     
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  18. Sean

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    Is it okay for Jews, blacks, gays, etc, to be slandered as a group?
     
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    ukxmrv Senior Member

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  20. Deepwater

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    I don't think we need to go to law - we have enough for a successful counter-campaign.

    Wessely has also been unable or unwilling to prove his repeated claims of death threats. As Prof Malcolm Hooper observed some years ago, if any threats had been reported to the police documentary proof would exist as Crime Reference numbers would have been raised :-
    http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/Wesselys-Words-Revisited.htm
     
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