The 12th Invest in ME Research Conference June, 2017, Part 2
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Coyne: Editor of JHP responds to misrepresentations by Cochrane author

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  1. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    https://www.coyneoftherealm.com/blo...tations-by-cochrane-author-in-mental-elf-blog

    Open the link for the rest of the article
     
  2. Barry53

    Barry53 Senior Member

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    I think this sums up ...
    ... why this is likely so valid ...
     
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    Kalliope Senior Member

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    As a compatriot to Brurberg I find this very interesting (and embarrassing). Am also looking much forward to David Tuller's further work with this Cochrane Review Group. I smell a rat here..

    Brurberg works for The Knowledge Centre for the Health Services in Norway which provides information to decision makers. The Directorate of Health will soon consider whether it is time for an update of their guideline for ME (where GET and CBT for now are included). I dread to think they might consult The Knowledge Centre before making a decision whether or not to remove the recommendations on GET and CBT :vomit:
     
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  4. Barry53

    Barry53 Senior Member

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    Very smelly indeed I think.
     
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  5. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    The idea that Knoop was free of COI on PACE?!!??!

    Having said that... is there anyone who knwos what they're talking about here who is free of COI?
     
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    Kalliope Senior Member

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    And it was this same Cochrane Review Group who were described as "independent reviewers" with access to all PACE-trial data, right? o_O
    This case has so many fishy details it's hard to keep an overview.
     
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    Kalliope Senior Member

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  8. Barry53

    Barry53 Senior Member

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    The issue is not so much about people having a COI, but about people being dishonest in some way about having a COI, be it concealment, misrepresention, etc.
     
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  9. Jonathan Edwards

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    Most of the authors in the JHP issue I suspect (the anti-PACE ones).
     
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  10. lilpink

    lilpink Senior Member

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    Dubious in an of itself, let alone the COI element... :bang-head:
     
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  11. RogerBlack

    RogerBlack Senior Member

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    There is a (hugely important) gap between 'can be alleged to have a conflict of interest' and 'would, on the balance of probabilities be found in court to have a conflict of interest'.

    A real additional problem is that many of the key players in CBT/GET have also published papers that look, on the surface to be biologically based.
    But, those on the 'biological' side of the fence rarely have.

    This can on the surface make it look like the first group are less biased.
     
  12. slysaint

    slysaint Senior Member

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    David F Marks‏@newhealthpsych 5h5 hours ago


    What happened @Maclomaclee? 'Forgot' to mention your @cochranecollab with @profmsharpe or concealed it at behest of @SMC_London? #PACEgate

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    eta:
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    David F Marks Retweeted David F Marks

    Another COI memory lapse - your paper with #PACEtrial PI Professor Trudie Chalder 2015 http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/46/3/8#PACEgate

    eta2: the link to stroke.ahajournals... page not found. Paper can be found here:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649798
     
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  13. AndyPR

    AndyPR Tired Sam ate all the cookies!

    @slysaint On Twitter, in case you weren't aware, you should have access to a drop down menu on each tweet, from there you should have access to an option to copy the link to the individual tweet itself, as shown below.
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    Paste that link in to a post here and the forum software will automatically load the tweet and display it e.g.
    Pasting (without the CODE box obviously)
    Code:
    https://twitter.com/newhealthpsych/status/898057464863764480
    gives

    The only time this might be less than useful is if the tweet is deleted. Hope this helps. :)
     
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  15. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    erm...are they saying that fatigue lasting 6 months or more is exclusive to CFS (as defined by the "Oxford Criteria") - coz I'm fairly certain that's wrong, totally wrong, total bo@@ocks etc.
     
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    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    Barry53 Senior Member

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    Strange? What happens ... do you get any sort of an error message come up?
     
  20. AndyPR

    AndyPR Tired Sam ate all the cookies!

    I'm on Virgin Media and they block access (long load time and then a claim that the site didn't respond) to sci-hub.cc - just discovered though that sci-hub.bz works for me. :)

    @Countrygirl try using http://sci-hub.bz/10.1080/21641846.2017.1364148, see if that works.
     
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