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Country Life Methyl b12

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Martial, Oct 7, 2014.

  1. Martial

    Martial Senior Member

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    Anyone else using this version of b12? I love that it uses dextrin instead of maltodextrin and has less preservatives then jarrow b12. The issue I am having is it melts WAY too quick compared to jarrows b12 and I don't know if I am getting full absorption. I have since tried to put it behind my upper lip for slower absorption which is seeming to help but I don't know if it absorbs as well there. Anyone else have thoughts on this? I am pretty sure country life b12 was highly rated even above jarrows on Fred's list. I used to get injections but got severe agitation and other nasty mental type symptoms before that don't make me want to try that again. Just want to be sure I am getting full use out of the stuff I am buying now.

    p.s. I do about 6000mcg of methyl b12, and 5000- 6000 mcg of adeno b12 a day, 1800-3000mcg of methyl folate. Used to do higher doses of methyl folate but got reactions like I was on speed from it and it was extremely uncomfortable, I believe I need to work more on this lyme stuff before bumping up my folate again.
     
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    Hi @Martial. I put them under my upper lip. I've read the accounts of it melting too fast :confused:For me, they last at least 2 hours, still have red remaining after that time. and the pasty remnant needs to be scraped away. I'm using 1 in each side of upper gums, twice/day.
    Fred didn't seem too happy about it when he last posted. Also, he switched to taking AdB12 all in one day, and not taking any MB12 that day. Felt they both were more potent that way. I've been meaning to revise the Guide to reflect this, just haven't gotten to it yet.:rolleyes:

    Yesterday after reading a post from stridor I began emptying out my folate into lower lip. Seems to be way more potent, so far it seems I'm able to reduce my 15mg dose to 10mg.:thumbsup:


    I'm glad you asked the question, this gives me all the info I need in one place to make the revision :)

     
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    Thanks Ahmo I found this all extremely helpful! Now curious do you think I should try using the adb12 all in one day like Fred and use the methyl b12 for the other six days of the week? Do you do the same now and notice the same effects? I used the adeno b12 and Methyl b12 at the same time then waited twenty minutes and would take the methyl folate. I never thought about the two interacting with each other for absorption, rather I thought they helped aid each other in pushing the nutrients into the cell.

    I am just trying to find the most optimal strategy for maximal effectiveness. So far I know I am definitely getting enough of my methylation system firing as I also have a tendency for over driving the pathways, and also severely lowering potassium at times. As of late I do not believe I am running into any partial methylation blocks. My illness with infections constantly flares up and down again and can bring a host of symptoms. I feel its presence in and of itself must be causing some methylation issues even while supplementing or perhaps there is also healing crisis, but some of it is very specific and obvious to issues like borrelia, bartonella etc..

    Will have to try the Enzy brand name as well but haven't seemed to be able to find a version in 5mg, gonna keep looking and order it first chance I come across. Or possibly order the 1mg but I don't want to pop 10 of the 1mg pills a day feels way to tedious lol.
     
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    Hi Todd. Enzy's only 1mg, I haven't found any other 5mg but CL.

    I've been doing 50mg AdB12 once/week, in 2 divided doses, away from MB12 for about a month. I don't notice anything, but when I ask my body, it says it prefers this separation of the 2 types. Now that I've re-read Fred's comments, I'm going to try 30mg this week, see if body approves. I'd been taking folate just before putting B12 (either type) into mouth, now am putting folate into lower gum, B12 into upper gum.:rolleyes:

    I'm sure your infections must be impacting...

    I've now been using larch extract (LAG) as resistant starch w/ my probiotics for about 3 months. For at least a couple weeks now I'm tending to need K+ only once/day, instead of twice. Also some of my other supps. Again, the only way I have of trying to understand why the decrease is asking my body, which responds that it's due to better gut bacteria.:thumbsup::hug:
     
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    ENY = Enzymatic Therapies B12, which is also the one I use. Lasts 2 hours if I'm stationary. I sometimes put it behind my lip early morning, then go back to sleep for an hour or 2.

    I have 3 questions re Freddd's recipe for AdoCbl, above - if anyone's game:

    1. Freddd recommends 30-50mg AdoCbl once a week. I took 10mg once a week, and one day after I had very tired & groggy days. That happened twice. Now I still take 10mg once a week, but notice no effect at all. Do I need to try the 30-50mg dose, or does the absence of sfx on 10mg suggest I am okay with that dose?

    2. Is AdoCbl your only B12 on that day - or does it just replace one of your mB12 doses? He says the latter, but elsewhere he implies the former:

    3. Freddd: "I take it over a 4-5 hour period using 1/2 a cap of Anabol Naturals at as time along the lower lip and gum." Anabol Naturals is 10mg per tab. So if Freddd takes a daily dose of (let's say) 40mg, that would mean he takes 8 half-caps (5mg each) sequentially in a day. But a day has 24 hours, and 8 half-caps a day at 4 hours each would be 48 hours. So might this need clarification?
     
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    Oh awesome thanks for the help you guys! Already ordered some of the enzy b12 will see how it works alongside the rest, yeah I definitely feel I won't fully recover from everything without taking care of these infections.

    1. could mean you stabalized in response, you could try a higher dose or keep it there it is your call. Personally I can't afford to mega super dose everything like Fred, Fred also had a chronic neuronal degenerative condition so he takes MUCH higher doses then others would for the same response.

    2. Adocbl would replace the Mb12 for that one day of the week.

    3. I think the specifics of his technique are to just divide doses evenly throughout the day, for yourself it could be different in timing. Keep in mind if you take it too late at night it will most likely cause insomnia. Also always take the vitamins on an empty stomach and about 20 minutes before eating any food. I would say to just gap it a few hours between doses and don't do any more doses past late afternoon or evening if you could handle it.
     
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    Thanks Martial - that's good information.

    That is a good distinction between Freddd's severe neuronal problems & our hopefully milder symptoms. The cost concerns me too: I just can't afford to take dozens of expensive pills a day.

    Thanks for fine-tuning the AdoCbl protocol for me. Finding a time of day when I have an empty stomach will be a problem (except first thing) as I'm a grazer. Does the empty stomach thing apply to all the DQ pills? I've only seen Freddd stipulate it in regard to LCF.

    And in case I ever get the famous paradoxical folate deficiency: Freddd says "try 4mg of l-methylfolate or so each 4-6 hours". That doesn't worry me - unless I misdiagnose the paradoxical deficiency - i.e. unless I in fact have something else. Is it possible to overdose on m-folate in such a case?
     
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    Any methyl b12 supplement always needs to be taken on an empty stomach this is because it promotes optimal absorption rate, if you take it with food then it will not be processed as well because the stomach will be digesting other things. Yes you can do the 4mg every four or six hours without worry. There is no recorded toxicity limit for methyl b12 or methyl folate, in fact some people take 30mg everyday for treatment resistant depression with no ill effect. You will not overdose in that case no.
     
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    Thanks again Martial. I shall consider giving 4mgs of m-folate a shot at some point. Someone here said it was "dangerous" to raise the dose a lot, why is why I asked. I can't get overmethylated, over-hyped, etc? If I were going to get start-up effects from m-folate, wouldn't I get LOTS of these on 4mgs several times a day?

    Does the "on an empty stomach" rule apply to the m-folate too?
     
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