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Could I have absorption problems? Vit D bringing out nutritional deficiencies?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Ocean, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    I wasn't sure what category to put this question in. I'm wondering if I may have some sort of absorption problem, as a tiny bit of Vitamin D seems to be perhaps causing nutritional deficiency symptoms to flare pretty badly. I appreciate any insight.

    I recently tried vitamin D yet again, despite many bad effects in the many times I'd tried it previously. This time I got dry vitamin D just to be sure I was not reacting to anything in the oils of the gel capsules, but still had the same effects and very quickly.

    By my second dose of 400 mg, I had two massive dark bruises on my legs. Restless leg started. Depressed feelings came in about 4 doses. I don't know if the depressed feelings can be from magnesium deficiency, I read it is possible. After my first dose I could already feel my fingernails being stronger, which is always one of the most noticeable signs of vit D for me. It's hard to believe how fast it can take effect, seems almost impossible.

    I tried upping my magnesium as much as I could (I use a spray and much of my skin can't tolerate it) and it did help with the restless leg but not the bruising or depressed feelings. I ordered some vitamin K but had already stopped the D by the time it arrived. I will maybe try taking the vit K and much more magnesium first for a while then try the D again.

    I've also gotten bad bruising in the past from being on antibiotics for a few weeks and I know those can also cause problems with depleting certain vitamins. If in fact these side effects are due to deficiencies in other vitamins, why am I so deficient? I take a multivitamin, eat healthy, use magnesium spray every day. I don't eat meat so I know I may be low in some things that are only in meat, eggs, and dairy, since I rarely have eggs and dairy either. But magnesium and vitamin k are in almost all the foods I do eat. So is it a possible absorption issue, that I may not be absorbing nutrients from the foods I'm eating?

    And why does vitamin D bring this out? Is it competing with its cofactors for absorption?
  2. liquid sky

    liquid sky Senior Member

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    I do better with Vit. D if I take the large prescription dose. I was on it once weekly, now just every 2 weeks. My doctor follows my blood levels to adjust the dosage. It did cause me to feel flu like when I took it for just the 1 day, but even that has resolved now. By not taking it on a daily basis, it doesn't effect absorption of other nutrients for more than one day.
  3. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    Wow, because I've had so much trouble with it, I just assumed higher doses would be even worse. It's interesting that it may actually be the other way around. Although considering by the second day I was already having problems, I wonder if even taking it once a week would make that much difference. It's not like I was taking it daily for a while, allowing for nutrients to get depleted over time. Just two days was all it took! Still, something for me to consider trying. Thank you!
  4. Valentijn

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    Here's one sensible answer I find on the internet that might (or might not) be helpful:

    http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Thyroi...e-allergic-reaction-to-Vitamin-D/show/1050672

    It also sounds like vitamin D can cause increased calcium absorption, so maybe the actual symptoms are from calcium instead of vitamin D.
  5. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    Thanks Valentjn. So you're saying it may be lowering my calcium, right? I don't take calcium besides what's in my multivitamin, so maybe I'll try adding some. Although my Vit D side effects seem to match up better with vitamin k and magneisum deficiency symptoms than calcium deficiency symptoms. I was always reluctant to take calcium because I thought it sort of counteracted magnesium (?), which I feel I'm low on.
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    Valentijn Activity Level: 3

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    I'm not sure really how D and calcium interact, beyond D helping calcium be absorbed. So what seems to be vitamin D problems might be the result of it affecting calcium somehow. Maybe too low, maybe too high. Just something to consider looking in to.
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    Hi, do you have any updates regarding this? Was having the same problem..
  8. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    I've been doing better by taking zinc, magneisum, and vitamins A, and K. Somtimes I take some vitamin E and sometimes a little calcium too. I found zinc lozenges work better for me than capsules. I can't tolerate B vitamins so I skip them now. I'm also experimenting with the advice above to take larger doses less frequently instead of smaller daily doses. I've just started trying that but so far I think it helps.
  9. penny

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    That's what my doctor suggested when I reported major symptom flairs with vit D. He said it might be that my body isn't able to regulate calcium well (which I think is born out by my widely swinging blood calcium levels), and vit D increases calcium which causes the symptoms. I definitely seem to do better when avoiding calcium and vit D (even in food sources). I'm actually having a bit of a crash right now after letting some small amounts of cheese and dairy creep back into my diet over the last week.
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    I can't tolerate Vit D either, and my levels are quite low. I've been wondering lately if taking it is strengthening an autoimmune reaction by giving the immune system a boost. There seems to be some evidence it can boost the Th2 immune response, which may already be overactive in many people with this illness. http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/56
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  11. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    I have trouble taking it but it seems to overall help me so I keep experimenting with its cofactors etc to find ways to tolerate it. My sleep, for one, is much much much better when I'm taking vitamin D.
  12. penny

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    Certainly could be. I definitely feel more 'sick' (fluey, fevery, and just generally crap) with it which could be immune activation. I might try astralagus at some point, I think it's supposed to help with that Th1/Th2 balance, but without the D and Calcium that Equilbrant has.

    Interesting, it has nothing but negative effects on me (worsened sleep, pain, cognition, inflammation, etc.). I wonder if part of it is that I get 'enough' D from the sun, so I'm meeting my bodies minimum requirements without supplementation or foods...I wonder if 'sun vit. D' effects calcium absorption in the same way that ingested vit. D does.

    I ordered some vit. K since it's supposed to help with getting calcium in the 'right' places, but haven't really given it a good trial yet (so much going on) - but maybe now is the time to do that...

    Good luck with figuring out how to balance all of this Ocean! I hope you're able to get the good effects without the bad. And do keep us updated, it's interesting to follow how others react, and get a better idea of the complexity of the bodies reactions.
  13. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    Thanks Penny. With vit K someone here told me to take it with fat and that helped me absorb it. I have noticed nothing negative from the vitamin K.

    I'm not sure but I think for me the vit D is just bringing out other deficiencies so trying to address those has helped, but the D itself seems to have a good effect on me. I know for others like you it's the opposite. One thing I haven't figured out is why it's gives me severe brain fog and drowsiness the day I take it, I feel drugged many of the days i take it. For that reason too it's better for me to take larger doses less often than smaller doses daily, since I only get those effects from it on the days I take it. Hope you find the vit. K helpful.
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  14. Prim3

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    Thank you! Good to know that you are doing well. Also, be careful that you are taking Vitamin D3 and not D2. Many people are having quite a bit of side effects from D2 I believe. D3 is the one that our body makes when sunlight touches our skin. I'm currently taking 2000IU Vitamin D3 daily as I am deficient.
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    I found some very disturbing information about supplementing with vitamine D:

    If I understand well:

    Supplementing with vitamine D could have the same effect has chronic antibiotic treatment on the gut:
    - it weeps out the good bacteria
    - "the bacteria may be evolving to produce factors that inhibit a critical step that converts the ingested vitamin D into the active form (from 25-D to 1,25-D)" which is catastrophic for your health

    Vitamine D is essential to protect you against radiation, cancer, infection, autoimmune diseases, osteoporosis, ...

    Source: http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/statins_pregnancy_sepsis_cancer_heart_failure.html
    Point 10
  16. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    Yes am taking vitamin D3. I found that when I got a lot of sun I also felt much better.
  17. GcMAF Australia

    GcMAF Australia Senior Member

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    there is a body of opinion that bacteria in the gut can affect vitamin D events.
    you probably have seen these papers

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758226
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15246025

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758159

    Vitamin D (at least in "normal people:) is anti inflammatory via the Th2 system. This is good.
    There is a body of thought that many CFS & Lyme people have disturbed Vitamin D systems.
    Maybe this problem with vitamin D is an indication of bacterial (Lyme) infection??
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  18. taniaaust1

    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    My D imbalance.. my specialist told me is cause my body is using more D trying to deal with infection...
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  19. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    I don't know if i totally understand these articles but it's interesting to note that our Vitamin D metabolism may be messed up. I wonder if that means taking vitamin D might actually cause more problems for some of us? It seemed in one of the publications they mentioned giving a blood pressure drug to fix the problem?
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  20. GcMAF Australia

    GcMAF Australia Senior Member

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    i just dont know tania
    certainly there is this some thing going on here in this balance of the active form

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