Good points. The best analogy I can come up with regarding Peter White's views is that patients are like very obese patients. This occurred to me when reading all the various supports he/his clinic wanted to deny patients when they responded to the draft NICE guidelines: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...ice-guidelines-insight-into-their-views.1239/ . One can find physical abnormalities in very obese people. But with enough dedication, many might be able to reverse these (through calorie control, exercise programs, etc.). And some might argue that giving very obese people disability payments, mobility aids, etc. might get in the way of them putting the full effort into losing weight. Like others, I haven't seen much sign of meaningful change in Peter White's views. (I tend to think less about what Simon Wessely says - he seems to say different things to different audiences and just because he says one thing one moment, doesn't mean he won't take a different approach another time. Also, I think these days Peter White is a more important player in the ME/CFS world).