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Conspiracy theory stuff, but interesting.

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by heapsreal, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. knackers323

    knackers323 Senior Member

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    There is a lab in sydney that tests for mycoplasma via pcr that I have twice tested strong positive with. Australian Biologics.

    So if its true that this mycoplasma developed by Lo is a big player in many cases of cfs and he is now head of an organisation supposedly looking for the cause of cfs. He isn't actually looking for the answer at all but in fact, actively trying to keep it hidden.

    Do I have this right?
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    Nicolson reported that they did not find the Mfi pathogen in civilian cases of CFS (not connected to GWI). However he did find CFS patients infected with M. fermentans and other mycoplasma species. It's entirely possible that that if there is something to hide Lo will keep it hidden, just like he did with GWI. He has already demonstrated this. He will never be able to disclose what his superiors don't want him to. Lo is a first class scientist but the only reason such people keep their jobs (or get promoted) is by obeying their superiors.
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  3. barbc56

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    Anything is possible, but not necessarily probable. Yeah, sometimes it's fun reading these stories. The problem is when we intermix these terms to prove something, especially when it comes to research and science.

    One of my favorite conspiricy theories which I have posted before, is that ME/CFS is caused by alien abductions.:eek: It looks like this site has been edited to make it more "scientific" since the last time I visited.
    http://www.abduct.com/features/f10.php
    The symptoms of alien abduction:
    http://aliencontactandhumanevolution.com/home/symptoms-alien-abduction

    As an aside there are theories that people reporting alien abduction are actually experiencing "sleep paralysis".

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/06/s...it-sleep-paralysis.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    Apologies for this lengthy somewhat off topic post. I find things like this fascinating. Ask me the time and I might explain how a clock works!:D
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    Anything is possible, but not necessarily probable. Yeah, sometimes it's fun reading these stories. The problem is when we intermix these terms to prove something, especially when it comes to research and science.

    One of my favorite conspiricy theories which I have posted before, is that ME/CFS is caused by alien abductions.:eek: It looks like this site has been edited to make it more "scientific" since the last time I visited.
    http://www.abduct.com/features/f10.php
    The symptoms of alien abduction:

    http://aliencontactandhumanevolution.com/home/symptoms-alien-abduction

    As an aside there are some theories that people reporting alien abduction are actually caused be "sleep paralysis.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/06/s...it-sleep-paralysis.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    Apologies for this lengthy somewhat off topic post. I find things like this fascinating. Ask me the time and I might explain how a clock works!:D
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  5. xchocoholic

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    I ran into an interesting scenario a few years ago. We had some serious criminals in the neighborhood and were trying to get them removed. Easier said than done unfortunately.

    These criminals decided to use a mentally
    challenged individual to even the score. They convinced this person that they were his real friends and he needed to "take care" of those trying to get the criminals removed.

    During a conversation I had with this
    mentally challenged individual, he actually
    indicated he was considering killing someone based on what he'd been told by
    his new best friends.

    Bottom line ... if these criminals knew to use a mentally challenged person to carry out their agenda, who else knows to do this ?
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    What I was trying to say is where else are unsuspecting pawns being used to carry out the agendas of those up to no good.
    aka evil doers. ; )

    Just by limiting our access to medical info
    they left us in a vulnerable position. Thankfully the web is making more info available.
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  7. overtrain

    overtrain Medical Mafia needs to die via this virus.

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    @Alex: just found quote
    "I am still more frightened by the fearless power in the eyes of my fellow psychiatrists than by the powerless fear in the eyes of their patients." R.D. Laing in WISDOM, MADNESS, AND FOLLY THE MAKING OF A PSYCHIATRIST 1985
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    I use the alien abduction argument as a counter example to babble quite a lot. Clearly aliens could explain everything .. and anything. Its right up there with Santa's magical elves.

    Having said that I do think alien life, even intelligent life, is so likely that its close to certainty. What is not certain is they are here. Space is not just big, its so vast the both the cost and time of interstellar travel are prohibitive using our current understanding of physics. You could do it with automated systems though.
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  9. Snowdrop

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    We all know of the tendency for power over others to corrupt.

    It would seem that power over others also has a tendency to delude as well.

    It seems that even among the elite there is little flexibility and openness of thinking.

    Go figure.
  10. overtrain

    overtrain Medical Mafia needs to die via this virus.

    From my experience, many elites are raised within certain frameworks. One is (& again, not ALL, but many elites) that individuals are to blame for their troubles. "Their" issues aren't related to societal structures. It's all on the individual to pull himherself up... Elites do tend to stay in the same income bracket, whether ivy league or clubs or neighborhoods. They marry into similar income brackets. If someone surrounds herself with people who generally have the same experiences and outlook, how would she break out? Remember, too, the subtle social sanctions for "flexibility". The more one breaks out, the more overt those sanctions can become. Why should elites have to change a thing when they aren't forced to? They and everyone they know benefit in their world via their way of doing things.

    These are, of course, generalizations, but they closely align with my direct contact with elites while I was growing up. I broke out due to a series of odd events, not the least of which was being born 'too' sensitive. I see both sides, and more than two sides.

    So how does any of this change? Culture jamming, one on one contact, setting aside judgement as much as possible when interacting so as to not further alienate 'the other', education, imagination, art, travel, law, etc. really, i don't know. But i do think in most cases power cedes to nothing other than more power. But that might be fallacious binary thinking.
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  11. Snowdrop

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    @overtrain

    I've become well aware of elite social structures over the years.

    My daughter and son went to an elite school for the gifted in grade school where there were many wealthy families.
    Then my daughter opted and was accepted into a 2 year high school program. She graduated when she was 15 and the academic world has been her oyster simply because they use that early high school grad as their guide to her worth. She's now doing a post grad degree at Cambridge.
    My son who went to the same gifted grade school (and is as bright as his sister) then opted for a mini-school program in music during high school has not had people, schools and employers fawn all over him in quite the same way.

    I would expect elites to at least employ the same amount of skepticism about what they've been taught as any average person.
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    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    Yes, this would be the weird Calvinist framework, which has bizarrely stuck in the same way psychiatry has stuck, despite making no sense at all.
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    See recent colossal arrogance Boris Johnson came out with regarding "IQ", ye gods!!
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/06/boris-johnson-missed-point-iq

    as I've kept telling folk for ages, "smarts", understanding is vastly more important than raw intellect.
    Just cause you can figure out how to do something doesn't mean you have the wisdom to figure out how to best employ it, or not at all!


    as for aliens, yeah can be used to explain anything etc etc, but I have seen "UFOs" up very close.
    I make no claim as to their origins etc, I and several hundred others, saw three vehicles, solid objects (as they occluded what they flew in front of), doing aerial manoeuvres at extremely low level and completely impossible from our understanding (right angled turns, instant acceleration etc), with no sound.
    so, you either have mass telepathy as that's the ONLY way so many folk could have exactly the same delusion over such a huge area (evidence for mass telepathy, please, psychs, hm?)
    or someone, Human or other, has technology very far ahead of what is known
    or it is something "beyond our ken"
    you pays your money and you takes your frame of reference :p
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    While we need people who are intelligent we need people who are wise, good and kind more. They seem to be less abundant as there is less external reward.

    As far as the UFO's go is it possibly military drones? They can be quite small and agile.
    I know that they have been making clothing that makes one invisible for some time.
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    Or to sum it up in a simple line: Wisdom is more important than intelligence.

    Knowledge is about facts. Intelligence is about the ability to reason. Wisdom is about having a network of understanding so that you can reason with everything in proper and appropriate context.

    Just my three cent piece' worth.
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    rosie26 moderate ME

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    Invisible clothing eek.
    I wonder if one day we will be able to decide if we want to be invisible before we go out.
    We would be bumping into other invisible's though.
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  17. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    On the history channel on tv the last couple of weeks they have had shows about JFK and F.Roosevelt, i find it interesting how their personal physicians kept both of these men going on a cocktail of drugs, hormones and pain killers etc so they could function and get through their work. JFK with adrenal insufficiency, hypothyroidism and probably more. Then Roosevelt with his polio.

    Now wouldnt it have been great for us to have these men in power in the 1980s and 1990s when the whole cfs thing kicked off. Im sure these men would have had a personal empathy for us that could have had descent research funds given towards cfs/me, and maybe they also both had cfs?? It was abit of a deja vu watching how these men were being treated to help them to keep functioning, mm pain killers, hormones, abit of this and abit of that. Maybe i should be the president.

    This thread mentioning conspiracy theories, it has to have JFK in it??
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    Hi Heapsreal,

    The spread of infectious diseases is one of the specializations I have under my regional scientist cap .... The transmission of hiv to the western world has been traced back to a gay international airline steward who was travelling between the Congo and the US. The virus has been found in primate populations deep within the Congo ......

    That is why it was first labelled a male homosexual disease.....

    And the spread of hiv in Africa, again stems out of the Congo and was first spread along the long haul trucking routes. This was because truckies had multiple overnight stops during their long journeys and they basically had girlfriends in every town along the way ......

    Conspiracy theories are interesting, but personally I don't think our governments are really that smart ....
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  19. barbc56

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    The book Emotional Intelligence delves into the subject of intelligence beyond IQ scores or academic achievement. This type of thinking has unfortunately, been underrated.

    .

    I've always thought this.:lol:
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    Governments in general are incredibly stupid. This does not mean the individuals are stupid though. It s a lowest common denominator kind of thing - they have so many weakest links in general. Having said that governments are darn good at keeping secrets. Given they do something so very stupid they have to cover it up they succeed much more often than not.
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