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Completely eliminated my severe anxiety symptoms with three supplements!

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Hi Hip and everyone,

Very interesting thread to read though, this is my first post. I just wanted to share my recent situation and get anyone’s thoughts on it.

My anxiety symptoms started about 2 months ago, and they seem to fit best within GAD. I am 30, and before 2 month ago, I have no history of anxiety or any mental health issues at all, generally I am a very healthy person, I eat healthy and exercise. I don’t take any medications and take a multivitamin and probiotics everyday.

So it all started the day after I was mowing my lawn on my rider mower, I accidentally kicked up a bunch of dust/dirt/grass which ended up going straight in my face a couple times. (I don’t know if this is necessarily a piece to the puzzle but it might be). I also had what looked like a big mosquito bite on my back.

The next day I had really weird jittery feeling in my head and felt like something was moving around in the middle of my head and I ended up having some kind of anxiety attack that night, something I never had before. I thought I would be back to normal the next day but I wasn’t, for the next week or so I would wake up early and just be totally wired and anxious, like my sympathetic nervous system was just switched on. And at some point later in the day or evening I would go back to normal (maybe parasympathetic nervous system kicked in?)

My symptoms have mostly been anxiety related, along with some fatigue and tiredness (maybe from getting only 4-5 hrs/day sleep on average), and upperback neck stiffness/soreness.

When I’m in anxiety mode, it feels like the inside of my head (near the nasopharyx / sphenoid sinus area) is tense and inflamed and my neck shoulders are tense, I have no appetite, no sex drive.

When I’m not in anxiety mode I usually feel some movement and pressure in my nose and septum area (not deeper in the head like with the anxiety), my appetite returns, my sex drive returns (essentially the parasympathetic nervous system seems to kick in).

Generally, it seems like the anxiety is correlated with sensations in my nose/sinus/nasopharyx areas. Sometimes I’ve even felt intense throbbing on the roof of my mouth toward the back above the soft palate.

Overall, this seems to have gotten a little better week by week, its been about 9 weeks now. I’ve used Flonase nasal steroid spray through weeks 4-8, and this seemed to help noticeably. I’ve been off it for about a week to see what would happen and I’ve felt about the same, but today was a bad day in terms of anxiety which is what inspired me to post.

Things I never had throughout this whole ordeal: a fever, itchy or watery eyes, runny nose, gastrointestinal issues, vomiting, nausea, skin rashes.

I do have some postnasal drip though, which usually makes me feel better when I can clear that stuff out. Also, I have some pressure in my ears, ear fullness, ears ringing, ears popping/cracking sometimes when driving, and my GP said there was negative pressure in my right ear at week 2 and my right ear still feels blocked and gets hot sometimes.

Doctor thought it might be sinusitis (I rarely get sinus infections) and gave me anti-biotics the first week, which didnt really do anything. GP gave me anti-anxiety meds but I’m reluctant to take these because I think it is something biological causing the psychological symptoms. I also got a CT and MRI which were normal. Bloodwork was normal (tested various hormones and metabolic stuff, a full work-up, 10 different viles were drawn, this was at week 2). I’m seeing an ENT soon and hope he can take a look up in my sinuses and also look at my scans.

Sorry for the long post, but my thinking is that this anxiety has something to do with inflammation in my nose/sinus/throat/ears. Seeing that the Flonase seemed to help, I’m guessing this is because of the anti-inflammatory properties (or possibly the anti-cytokine properties). But I do not want to take a nasal steroid forever.
and I REALLY hope this is not some random virus that I am stuck with for the rest of my life. How can someone go from perfectly normal to a full blown anxiety disorder overnight - doesn’t make sense.

I’m hoping it is something temporary that will clear up soon enough and I’ve heard that sinus and ear issues can take a while to clear up. Perhaps, it could also be some kind of allergic reaction as well? I think it all links back to that fateful day 2 months ago when I mowed my grass. Maybe it could be some kind of fungal infection as well? Also, for the past week it looks like I’ve got some candida fungus overgrowth and bumps on my tongue (this may be from the immunosuppressant properties of Flonase though)

Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts or questions feel free, just wanted to share my experience.
I will probably be trying out NAG soon and see if that does anything.

Is there a way to get tested for potential viruses? I should probably also get allergy tests as well.
 
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Hip

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It's possible I guess you might have picked up a sinus/nasal fungal infection from gardening when you kicked up dirt into your face. Something that may be worth trying is nasal sprays of colloidal silver for a few months. Colloidal silver is anti-fungal, and Dr Joseph Brewer is using such colloidal silver nasal sprays on his chronic fatigue syndrome patients (he has a theory that ME/CFS may be underpinned by a sinus mold infection).

Though any number of infections might be behind your sinus problems. I myself caught an enterovirus that lead to severe anxiety, severe anhedonia, ME/CFS that has left me half housebound, and some chronic nasal/sinus inflammation. Viral testing is not so straightforward though, as there are many viruses to test for.

Nasal/sinus inflammation appeared to be a factor in my anxiety disorder; if you search my posts on this subject, you will see some more info on this, including supplements I found effective for reducing these sinus inflammation symptoms (which then reduced my anxiety levels).
 
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@Scott1234 Really interesting story, and it sounds like you have pieced together the puzzle quite well. I can relate to your story also, and I will share mine if anyone cares to listen too :)

Back in December I had a really bad anxiety/panic attack. I had taken a substance that I thought was MDMA, but it turned out to be speed. I hadn't slept in a long time and I started to get heart palpitations which was scary but the real anxiety inducer was when my heart returned to normal speed I thought it was stopping. Fast forward a few months and I beat this anxiety after a few weeks of healthy eating and exercising etc.

At around April I was doing a HIIT training exercise for 4-5 days a week, this was all good and I felt great doing it. I had some head pressure (hard to explain) & felt like my brain was "moving" when sprinting on the spot but I figured this is normal for strenuous exercise. Because I got the sinus problems around this time, I feel like I did something and caused some inflammation? I was also eating alot of food at this time to bulk up.

One morning I woke up with horrible sinus blockage and pressure. It's not a mucous type blockage it feels really far up my nose and I just get crusty kind of stuff coming out of it. I always dealt with allergies like hayfeaver in the summer months but never this bad with head pressure and dizziness. Since that day I've been dealing with pressure around the top/back of my sinus and in my head. Bad headaches, fatigue, run down, dizziness, hard to concentrate/focus, not sleeping well, tingly arms and the usual anxiety symptoms. Also have had irregular bowels, lots of bloating and some constipation.

Like Scott, I get some relief from spray/anti-histamines but I want to get to the route cause of this. It's seriously effecting my life having this on my mind everyday. I've tried lots of natural remedies but still have not had much luck. I have ordered Turmeric and NAG as suggested here so looking forward to trying them out. :)

@Hip I've read this whole thread and it seems some virus type infections could be causing the infection/inflammation - have you ever tried any body detoxing? I've read that you can detox your whole body but you get some horrible side effects while the bacteria being detoxed dies inside you. I'm slowly trying things like having more green juices, lemon & raw honey in the mornings, and dry skin brushing. Another thing I have come across is "oil pulling", I won't describe it all here but it's worth checking out on google.

Thanks in advance for any replies. And good luck to everyone posting here!
 
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Hey guys just wanted to post that turmeric which I bought at local store had been super amazing for my anxiety. I have been taking it for 2 days so far but man let me tell you after an hour of taking it, my anxiety decreased like 90%. It was a huge relief. I had a kickoff meeting today at work and first time I was completely relaxed around so many people. I know I have to observe this long term but I was so happy I wanted to share it asap with you guys. As for the flaxeed oil and NAG, I order them online so they were delivered yesterday. I took both of them along with turmeric today, but it is hard to say how much they help. But I do know that turmeric is very very helpful. I googled A LOT to see why but there is no definite answer rather couple studies here and there and needs more research.

I am taking 500mg at 7am and 500mg at 4pm. I tried 1000mg twice a day but it gave me panicky and anxious feelings. I am hsp and my nervous system is more sensitive than others so I guess I do not need large dose. And if you guys wanna know the one that I have has like 50mg of curcumin out of 500mg. I have not tried the modified one yet, the one that has like 95% of curcumin in it.

Anyways hip, thanks so much!! So happy I came across this. Have been suffering from this for many years now.

I have bday coming up soon was wondering if it is ok to drink while on these supplements. Can there be any serious interactions between alcohol and these supplements?

Many Thanks
BIONN
 
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@BIONN
Pleased that turmeric is having such a good anti-anxiety effect for you. Do let us know about how NAG pans out, once you have had a chance to assess it.

I don't think there should be any problems with drinking alcohol while taking these supplements.



have you ever tried any body detoxing?

Once you develop ME/CFS from a viral infection as many on this forum have, you tend to stick to a good diet, and avoid things like alcohol. "Detoxing" may help, but it is not going to get rid of a chronic viral infection.
 
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Thanks @Hip I just received my flaxseed oil, turmeric and NAG today. I took the NAG & turmeric this morning on an empty stomach, and just took 10ml of flaxseed oil there with breakfast. Is it ok to take the NAG & turmeric together?

I will report back on how I get on with these supplements. I already felt my sinus clear up a good bit so heres hoping for long term results! Do you recommend I try one at a time to see which helps best or just go for all of them together?

Thanks guys
 
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So it's been a week now and its been pretty positive so far. My regime is as follows:

Turmeric Tea:
NAG:
  • taken in the morning and late afternoon on empty stomach
My sinus is still pretty blocked up with some pressure but I'm hopeful If I keep this up it will clear more.

I am now moving on and adding a paleo diet to accompany this and see what happens!
 
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Really interesting to have found this topic.

I have suffered anxiety most of my life and it is completely derailing. I always thought it was mental but started to realize it was physiological. Due to a nasal injury a doc prescribed me avamys steroid spray more out of hope. The first day I used it I was so utterly relaxed I simply crashed for 24 hrs. Normally when I rest there is a tonne of nervous tension going on in my body but not this time. Unfortunately avamys tended to result in a horrific burning a day after and the feeling i had been drugged so I gave that the kick. I just started using fess nasal irrigations and they give me the same sensation. The only problem if I am exposed to certain allergens everything flares up again - the sinus inflammation and the terrible anxiety.

Things that seem to flare it up:
- dust/maybe mites
- mold
- chemicals

I try to get all areas of my sinuses and also use the following as part of my routine to get the frontal sinuses:

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/2322/The-Sinus-Flush

Whenever I go to my favorite walkpath which is high above the ocean I am devoid of pain there as well, and feel a million dollars.

I am going to do the gaps diet to help with allergy reactions. I purchased salinplus which releases salty air in my bedroom but to be honest haven't noticed anything with that yet - was hoping it could be like the beach walking experience I have.

I am going to try the supplements you suggest hip. I cannot express my appreciation for how you have put your heart and soul into this! I am fascinated by this connection between sinus inflammation, its proximity to the brain and anxiety.
 
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I should also add one must wonder how many people have mental illness due to a sinus condition. The best ENT where I live years ago diagnosed me with vasomotor rhinitis. He then asked if the back of my head, neck etc feels tight I said yeh. He prescribed me low dose endep. That was quite relaxing but then had a range of side effects. After years of suffering I am finally feel like I am nailing what has been causing me grief.
 

joe12

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I hope these anti-anxiety supplements work for you. Do let me know how you get on.

You may find this post about sinusitis treatments of interest.
I wanted to ask you about viral transmission risk from saliva, I had an accident yesterday and am feeling ill. Could you read my latest post?
 
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I try to get all areas of my sinuses and also use the following as part of my routine to get the frontal sinuses:

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/2322/The-Sinus-Flush

Thanks for sharing. I am also fascinated with the connection between sinus/anxiety. I woke up one day with headache and sinus pressure and have had it for about 6 months now. I have tried the turmeric, NAG and flaxseed oil, while my nose is still blocked to some extent - it has taken the 'edge' off my anxiety by about 90%.

I also got prescribed Avamys but I never noticed any side effects like you mentioned, it gave me some mild relief but I have stopped using it as I want to get to the route cause of this.

I am convinced I have some viral infection that is lingering so I'm just trying lots of things to try clear it up.

Best of luck and let us know how you get on.
 
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Cheers gjack will do.

Doing my iherb order tonight so fingers crossed that these supps can help with my anxiety.

Saw a gp yesterday that specialises in laser acupuncture - complete relief for a few hrs woke up this morning in a state of pain again. Man this body is painful but I guess most who have ventured onto phoenix know serious pain. The doc was really big on not slouching reckons that it pinches a nerve that is important for sinus health.
 
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The doc was really big on not slouching reckons that it pinches a nerve that is important for sinus health.

That's really interesting. I have a desk job so I slouch a lot although I try not to. I get a lot of tension in my chest/neck/shoulders from it... I guess they are all connected to the muscles around the head and sinus.
 
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From what I gather it is best to maintain the natural arch in the back. When we slouch and dont maintain upright posture our lower rib cage pinches the hip and the result is pinched nerves and PAIN. I write this as sipping a latte and slouching in a nice leather lounge chair in a cafe overlooking the sea in Western Australia while pondering my life which is at a crossroads.

If your sinus problem has popped up mysteriously it may be worthwhile checking out John Sarnos work. Good luck.
 

MeSci

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Funny - I don't think I ever slouched, but I still have blocked sinuses some of the time. I think it has a range of causes, including dust mites, over-exertion, allergy and inappropriate diet. I also get mild neck and upper-back pain, and at present some shoulder pain. I don't get severe pain though.
 
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Hi guys,

Just a quick post about turmeric. I have been taking it only weekends now because it has very similar affects on me as shrooms used to. Basically after hour or so taking the turmeric the "time slows down", I can hear voices around me much clearer and I just enjoy to go in the nature and kind of feels that same unity with the universe, like everything being one thing. This is very similar to when I did shrooms earlier this year. Just not as intense. I do not know honestly why turmeric has such affect on me but because of such affects I can only take it weekends because I need some time to sit quietly in the nature and not be bothered.

Just thought I would share.
 

MeSci

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Hi guys,

Just a quick post about turmeric. I have been taking it only weekends now because it has very similar affects on me as shrooms used to. Basically after hour or so taking the turmeric the "time slows down", I can hear voices around me much clearer and I just enjoy to go in the nature and kind of feels that same unity with the universe, like everything being one thing. This is very similar to when I did shrooms earlier this year. Just not as intense. I do not know honestly why turmeric has such affect on me but because of such affects I can only take it weekends because I need some time to sit quietly in the nature and not be bothered.

Just thought I would share.

Wow! Long time since I had that feeling. How much do you take?

EDIT

Just seen you said you took 500g twice a day. Are you sure it's the turmeric and not other supplements?
 
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Wow! Long time since I had that feeling. How much do you take?

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Just seen you said you took 500g twice a day. Are you sure it's the turmeric and not other supplements?
Ya I am pretty sure it is Turmeric. Because the feeling that I described comes only when I take turmeric. I do not take 2 any more just one now in the morning on weekends. First time when I tried turmeric couple weeks ago I took 2 500mg pills and boy that was intense and I was driving. I had exact same feelings and sensations that I had on shrooms. I started shaking first 2 hours after shaking and did not really feel stable. Almost the feeling like you are going crazy or smth like that. Was really uncomfortable but come down was pleasant and next week was awesome because I forgot what anxiety felt like. So to conclude higher dosage works better for my anxiety but it is also more uncomfortable so I stay away from taking two pills.

Like I said I do not know why I react like that to turmeric. But it is obvious that it has a huge psychological affects on me. I also have a very increased feeling of self awareness. Like I constantly know what I am doing, why I am doing it and in general very observant. It feels like watching yourself from outside and knowing every move you make. It is really tough cause I am always overloaded from information and have little energy and desire to communicated with others. I do not now if anxiety and self awareness are cousins or not but they might be related in some way.

Anyways that is my story. I have not experienced much with NAG yet and as far as flaxseed goes I take 1 tablespoon every morning and it is definitely less intense for me than turmeric. Have not really noticed any side affects.
 

MeSci

ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?
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Ya I am pretty sure it is Turmeric. Because the feeling that I described comes only when I take turmeric. I do not take 2 any more just one now in the morning on weekends. First time when I tried turmeric couple weeks ago I took 2 500mg pills and boy that was intense and I was driving. I had exact same feelings and sensations that I had on shrooms. I started shaking first 2 hours after shaking and did not really feel stable. Almost the feeling like you are going crazy or smth like that. Was really uncomfortable but come down was pleasant and next week was awesome because I forgot what anxiety felt like. So to conclude higher dosage works better for my anxiety but it is also more uncomfortable so I stay away from taking two pills.

Like I said I do not know why I react like that to turmeric. But it is obvious that it has a huge psychological affects on me. I also have a very increased feeling of self awareness. Like I constantly know what I am doing, why I am doing it and in general very observant. It feels like watching yourself from outside and knowing every move you make. It is really tough cause I am always overloaded from information and have little energy and desire to communicated with others. I do not now if anxiety and self awareness are cousins or not but they might be related in some way.

Anyways that is my story. I have not experienced much with NAG yet and as far as flaxseed goes I take 1 tablespoon every morning and it is definitely less intense for me than turmeric. Have not really noticed any side affects.

That sounds a bit contradictory, at least with regard to my own feelings re self-awareness and anxiety, as they tend to be opposites to me. When I have had spells of strong self-awareness under the influence of drugs (a long time ago!), I have usually felt very relaxed and at ease. And sometimes when I have felt 'in the zone' where I am completely in control of what I'm doing, I usually feel relaxed too. Anxiety tends to be associated with confusion and lack of control with me.