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Commentary: Structural and functional features of central nervous system lymphatic vessels

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Sushi, Dec 22, 2015.

  1. Sushi

    Sushi Moderation Resource Albuquerque

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    Professor Ruggiero continues commentary on the Facebook page: Remembering Dr. Bradstreet:
     
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    Questions, please (to anyone). Is the above statement a basic and accepted fact? And how long roughly has this idea been around/widely accepted? (Recent years only or decades?) Just curious. Thank you.
     
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    Just a note from personal experience: I get regular manual lymphatic drainage and this is extremely helpful for me, as it decreases the intensity of my symptoms. My practitioner always says that there is a crazy amount of waste material created in my lymphatic system, and that it feels as if I constantly have an inflammation or an accute immune response. Whenever I've stopped treatment for a couple of weeks (due to the practitioner being on holidays) all my full blown symptoms return: joint pain, migraines, sluggishness, constipation, ... I think our disease process creates a lot of waste, flooding the lymphatic vessels in such a way that it's impossible to clear out, causing a wide array of symptoms (as an effect, not a cause).

    There is very little known about the lymphatic system and doctors generally are completely clueless about the major benefits of this treatment. My guess is that there's gonna be a whole lot of interesting things written about this in the near future...
     
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    No, this is not accepted wisdom. There is now considerable reason to believe cytotoxic T-cells do cross into the brain, and reemerge through the lymphatic pathways mentioned. These are larger than typical bacteria, but it does not follow that those bacteria have free entry to the brain. Some bacteria found in postmortem examination of brains, like the infamous treponema pallidum, are capable of tricks that make it hard to keep them out if entire blood cells can get in. The whole subject needs a great deal of new research.
     
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    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    It could also be that, if we are not very active, we are not moving the lymph along via skeletal muscle contraction as much as we need to.
     
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    When I first got ill, I was still being very active, but the lymph situation was the same as it is now. So I don't think it has anything to do with immobility in my case...
     
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    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I went for a fluid deprivation test some years ago to see if I was able to concentrate urine properly (of course the medics couldn't get their heads round the fact that my ability fluctuated).

    I was instructed to keep as as still as possible (for several hours), in a chair that was too large for me so that my legs didn't reach the ground. It was impossible to get comfortable. Fluid started accumulating around my middle, my clothes became tight and my back started hurting.

    I was concentrating urine all right, but not via my kidneys - it appeared to be stuck in my lymphatic system and not even reaching my kidneys!
     
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    Is this treatment the Perrin technique?
     
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    Effi Senior Member

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    It's the Dr Vodder technique
     
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    I just asked my practitioner about this, and she says that the lymph system is most active when we are at rest. So it would make sense for the lymphatic system to work better when we're inactive. This still doesn't explain why there is continuously so much waste to clean up... Another mystery to add to the pile I guess... ;)
     
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    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    This looks like a good page on the lymphatic system.
     
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    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    It's occurred to me - what does your practitioner mean by 'most active'? There are lots of tasks performed by the lymphatic system. Maybe some are performed mostly when we are at rest and some mostly when we are active.
     
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