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Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Jenny, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. Jenny

    Jenny Senior Member

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    Did anyone go to this yesterday, in London?

    I'm told Wessely seems to have changed his mind about a few things.

    I'd like to know what Andrew Flower said - I used to have acupuncture and Chinese herbs from him.

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    College of Medicine

    Education Programme
    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME an integrated approach (London)
    CPD Suite, Queen Mary University, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS
    Wednesday, 18th January 2012
    What's the way forward for this condition which sometimes takes years to diagnose?
    Do you have first hand experience of this often misunderstood syndrome?
    Would you like to find out different approaches to ease the symptoms?
    Recent studies from the University of Bristol highlight the costs of chronic fatigue syndrome/ME to the country, the families of sufferers and the sufferers themselves.
    There are huge delays in making the assessment and in getting treatment because of the stigma attached to the illness, the reluctance of GPs and other healthcare professionals to diagnose and give a management plan, and the lack of specialist services. There are effective treatments available but too few sufferers get anywhere near the right approach to their problems, let alone correct treatment.
    Come to this one-day facilitated workshop to learn more about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME (CFS/ME) and treatment pathways.

    The workshop will cover:
    ? What are the different approaches to care for this illness?
    ? How to access different care pathways
    ? Good care for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME
    ? Traditional Chinese Medicine and chronic fatigue
    ? Self-care is there more you and your family could do?
    ? There is hope -- a first hand perspective on recovery from CFS/ME


    The workshop is for:
    ? Healthcare professionals, complementary therapists, patients, carers, students

    Fees

    Workshop cost
    Student price College of Medicine Members
    50
    25 Non - Members
    60
    30

    Booking
    Click here or go to http://members.collegeofmedicine.eu/courses/chronicfatigue to book online or download a booking form.
    Places limited and are allocated on a first come first served basis.


    Chronic Fatigue an Integrated Perspective (London) | 18 January 2012

    Programme

    9:30 9:50 Welcome and Registration
    9:50 10:00 Overview of the day
    10:00 11:00 Presentation
    Overview of Chronic Fatigue: Professor Simon Wessely
    Vice Dean, Academic Psychiatry, Teaching and Training: Institute of Psychiatry
    Head, Department of Psychological Medicine, Institute of Psychiatry
    Director, Kings Centre for Military Health Research, Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College London
    11:00 11:15 Question time
    11:15 11:30 Refreshments
    11:30 12:30 Group Discussion
    Integrative approach to care how could this work in my area of practice
    12:30 13:15 Lunch
    13:15 14:00 Table Discussion
    Sharing and caring
    14:00 14:20 Presentation
    Traditional Chinese Medicine and fatigue: Dr Andrew Flower
    Complementary medicine research Group, University of Southampton
    14:20 14:40 Presentation
    Self care for Chronic Fatigue: Professor David Peters
    Clinical Director, School of Life Sciences, University of Westminster
    14:40 15:00 Presentation and Discussion
    A first hand perspective on recovery from severe CFS/ME
    A recovered patient
    15:00 15:15 Question time
    Facilitated discussion with Dr Andrew Flower and a recovered patient.
    15:15 15:45 Group Work
    Reflection - In light of further information do I need to amend my plan
    15:45 16:00 Discussion on Learning outcomes. Summary and Close
     
  2. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    If he's not making grovelling apologies, he's not changed enough. Still interested to hear any reports on this though. Conference transcripts tend to be more revealing than peer reviewed papers.

    Ta Jenny.
     
  3. SOC

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    Not changed enough for us, certainly. But if he manages to change the spin just enough in an advantageous (to him) direction, it may be enough for the authorities and general public not to demand the booting of his sorry butt out of the field.
     
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    ukxmrv Senior Member

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    Wessely always pretends to have changed. That's why they are called "weasel words".
     
  5. alex3619

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    Something I am only now beginning to understand: we see the pyschosomatic stuff on ME, and focus on that. What I was not aware of is just how much of an attack there is on the whole concept of pscychosomatic medicine. It is one of the last bastions of Freudian doctrine. Its not us who are leading the charge ... its other psychiatrists. I intend writing a few blogs on this in the next couple of weeks/months. Bye, Alex
     
  6. Sean

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    Look forward to them.

    One useful source of evidence against psychosomatism is a series of Cochrane meta-analyses from Hrbjartsson and Gtzsche of studies that measured the clinical impact of the placebo effect.

    From the summary in their most recent paper:

    "We did not find that placebo interventions have important clinical effects in general."

    The possible exceptions being small effects for pain and nausea, and even there it is not clear if that effect is real or just an artefact of the methodologies used in the primary studies:

    "However, in certain settings placebo interventions can influence patient-reported outcomes, especially pain and nausea, though it is difficult to distinguish patient-reported effects of placebo from biased reporting."

    [Hrbjartsson A, Gtzsche PC. Placebo interventions for all clinical conditions. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2010, Issue 1. Art. No.: CD003974. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD003974.pub3. PMID: 20091554]

    The placebo effect (and its putative mirror image form, the nocebo effect, which is the proposed causal mechanism in the psychogenic interpretation of CFS), is the basis of the psychosomatic response. But if they have no or only minimal clinical effect, then the existence of psychosomatism itself (or at least its importance to human health) is up for debate.

    And given, as far as I can see, that psychosomatism is one of the core claims and pillars of psychiatry, then it seems to me they are in serious trouble over this.

    I don't think the implications of this work have really started to sink into the medical community yet.
     
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