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Childhood trauma in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: focus on personality disorders and psychopathology

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Dolphin, Oct 20, 2015.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    The full text is available free at: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...opathology/links/55f70dd608aec948c4651476.pdf

     
  2. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    What kind of personality disorder makes someone so determined to maintain psychological causes of CFS in the face of the growing mountain of research and evidence that the causes are biological? What causes such determined willful blindness, lack of compassion, and willingness to neglect and abuse vulnerable patients? The only neglect, abuse and trauma most of us have suffered has been as adults since we became CFS patients.

    When is someone going to do a study on the personality disorders that some of these psychiatrists are suffering from? Don't psychiatrists have a professional body with an interest in putting it's house in order and ridding itself of these sociopaths who seem drawn to the profession and the opportunities it presents to control and abuse patients?
     
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    What a bizarrely poor study.

    This uses PDQ-4+ to assess personality disorders- I'm not sure how that differs from the PDQ-4, which I don't think is remotely useful for CFS.

    Google brought up this:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cpp.766/abstract

    There was that study finding that PD's were not more common in CFS when using a more rigorous assessment than the PDQ-4. At this point, there have been enough rubbish studies on CFS and personality, and enough people pointing out the problems with them. Time to up the standard or leave it alone imo.
     
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  6. Sidereal

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    PDQ-4 is completely useless. Even the clinician-administered SCID-II, the gold standard, can give false positives if you have students / research assistants administering it instead of psychiatrists of clinical psychologists. Assessment of personality disorder is a very difficult skill to acquire. The added complication is that serious chronic illness will result personality changes which will seem pathological (e.g. avoidant, obsessive-compulsive etc.) to the healthy eager beaver doing the assessment because they have no idea what sorts of strange things sick people have to do in order to cope with symptoms and keep them under control.
     
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    Is this a Rorschach test? Whose head is it sticking out of the sand that is about to be sat on by a big bull? ( in jest)
     
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  8. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    I thought it was the cow jumping over the moon.
     
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  9. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Before the psychiatrists ran away with all my spoons.

    Time for bed I think.
     
  10. SilverbladeTE

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    Please, don't insult morons by equating them with these arrogant, knob-strutting sociopaths! :p

    TiredSam has a point: it is more likely that these psychiatrists have mental health problems, than it having anything do with causing M.E.
     
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    What was the point of this research anyway? Starting with a sample of people with CFS, and then just looking at the correlation between childhood trauma and personality disorders.... Says FA about CFS.

    Presumably the point was just to infer the link... Idiots.
     
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  12. whodathunkit

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

    Lovely turn of phrase. Thank you! :D
     
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  13. SilverbladeTE

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    Somewhere near Glasgow, Scotland
    *bows with a theatrical flourish!* ;)
     
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    Lol. Pretty sure it’s Wesseley’s. :D

    You’re clearly a better person than I. ;)
     
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    Childhood Trauma Is Not Contagious. In my opinion, especially the more-horrible versions of CFS/ME are contagious.

    Why is this "contagious or not" question, still not settled. . . how difficult can it be for a scientific-brain to figure that out? It seems rather important as a clue.
     
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    Or it could be the other way around. Those who report higher scores on the PDQ-4+ are also likely to report greater levels of emotional childhood trauma. Without control groups and objective measures, the associations between the questionnaires may simply reflect biases of the patient when answering questionnaires.

    Why do psychological researchers not ask deeper questions as to what they are really measuring? Why do they assume a particular directionality for a correlation when the directionality may be the complete opposite?
     
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  18. Never Give Up

    Never Give Up Collecting improvements, until there's a cure.

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    Exactly!
     
  19. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    If I may quote Philip Larkin, who as far as I know didn't suffer from CFS:

    They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
    They may not mean to, but they do.
    They fill you with the faults they had
    And add some extra, just for you.

    But they were fucked up in their turn
    By fools in old-style hats and coats,
    Who half the time were soppy-stern
    And half at one another's throats.

    Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
    Get out as early as you can,
    And don't have any kids yourself.
     
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  20. Sidereal

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    Right, people with psychiatric problems are probably more likely to find normal variations in parenting styles traumatic and are probably encouraged by their therapists to go dredging their past for alleged emotional abuse and trauma. It is telling that:

    Physical trauma is less nebulous and more objectively identifiable than emotional abuse, IMO.
     
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