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Discussion in 'Action Alerts and Advocacy' started by Dolphin, May 24, 2011.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Thanks Nielk. Still not exactly sure what the reference to not being allowed outside of "enclosed" spaces was but nobody needs to go to any more trouble on my behalf.
  2. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    Dolphin, here's an article on eruvs which talks about the rule against carrying things on the Sabbeth. I skimmed it and didn't see any reference to women, so it looks like I am mistaken about it applying just to women. (fwiw, I did say it was 'people', not just women who are not allowed to use electricity on the sabbeth).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv

    An Eruv (Hebrew: ?????? mixture, also transliterated as Eiruv or Erub, plural: Eruvin) is a ritual enclosure around some Orthodox Jewish homes or communities. In such communities, an Eruv is seen to enable the carrying of objects out of doors on the Jewish Sabbath that would otherwise be forbidden by Torah law (Halakha). Without an Eruv, Torah-observant Jews would be forbidden from carrying keys or tissues in their pockets or pushing baby carriages on the Jewish Sabbath, thus making it difficult for many to leave their homes.

    This google search turned up some articles:
    http://www.google.com/search?client...gc.r_pw.&fp=5304212dfdd8a916&biw=1280&bih=656

    In any event, I wouldn't urge you now to pursue this for a reason other than curiosity for the reasons I stated before. But of course you can do what you wish.
  3. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Thanks justinreilly
  4. Nielk

    Nielk

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    Hi Justin,

    You gave a very accurate description. It does have to do with the laws of carrying things on the Sabbath outside of the home. It's only carrying and not walking. Walking without carrying is fine. It's a complicated matter and has to do with carrying something from a private place (home) to a public place. In communities where there are many orthodox Jews, they construct an eruv (enclosure) around the community and therefore it bypasses the problem of carrying outside since the whole community is considered an "enclosed home", Like I said before there are 613 laws with some laws being complicated and encompassing of many components. People study these codes for years and years to get the full understanding of all the laws. Of course, it helps if you are born into this life and it comes as second nature because that's what you saw at home and your parents teach you and you also learn in Hebrew school.
  5. Nielk

    Nielk

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    Dolphin,

    Here is a link with a lot of information about the Jewish community in Dublin.

    http://www.jewishireland.org/
  6. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Thanks Nielk. I played cricket against Stratford College at least once as a boy. I don't know how many Jewish people were actually in the school however.

  7. Nielk

    Nielk

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    You know, we look like everyone else.
    As a matter of fact my specialist now in NYC - Dr. Enlander originates from Dublin and he is Jewish. I believe he still has family living there,. I know he travels there pretty often.
  8. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    But there was nobody wearing the hats. Also as the piece made clear, the Jewish population isn't large in Ireland. I have attended Dr. Enlander - he's from N. Ireland (went to medical school in Dublin). I do know a Jewish family who are family friends (parents go to bar mitzvahs, weddings, etc. - indeed the father has been generous to the ME/CFS cause even though his only connection that I know of is me) with the children around my age.
    My initial question was related to what justinreilly said:
    I misread it and thought it mean for some Jewish sect that this applied to women all the time rather than just on the shabbot (sabbeth). If one reads it that this applied to women all the time, I think it is natural to ask a bit more.
  9. Nielk

    Nielk

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    Yes, it does make sense to ask questions.
    It really wasn't clear at all from the post.
    Glad to answer any questions you have.
  10. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    Right. Sorry, Dolphin, I didn't write that better; it was confusing.

    Nielk, I must have made you feel like we all do when someone says: chronic fatigue syndrome; I'm tired too sometimes, I probably have it too! : ) Sorry!
  11. Nielk

    Nielk

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    Justin,

    No need to be sorry. I understood right away that there was no maliciousness only some misguided information.
    It actually gave me a chance to write about a subject that I'm familiar with.

    Nielk:victory:
  12. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    No problem, justinreilly.

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