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Chase Community Giving - what other successful groups are doing

Discussion in 'Action Alerts and Advocacy' started by Dolphin, May 24, 2011.

  1. ixchelkali

    ixchelkali Senior Member

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    What Starbucks card lottery?
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    charityfundraiser Senior Member

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    I guess there might be a small difference if it was started by an individual and not by the organization itself. Cure Chronic Illness has a FaceBook Event with a Starbucks card lottery for people who voted for the WPI.
  3. ixchelkali

    ixchelkali Senior Member

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    I'd put that in the same catagory as a school that offered a pizza party for the room that rounded up the most votes, or something. I think that's a little different from using vote-trading or vote-buying websites. It may not be cheating, but it's unsportsmanlike. I know, I know, when there's a half a million bucks on the line, there's no such thing as sportsmanship. And as I said, I haven't read the rules to know if it's prohibited. But I do know that when people violate the spirit of a competition, it can discourage those running it from doing it in the future, especially if policing becomes too onerous.

    I guess whether it's cheating or not depends in part on your values system and how you define cheating.
  4. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Update: they're no longer in the top 15 and seem to be going nowhere. I wonder whether it wasn't just that batch of votes that was a bit dodgy. Or maybe they shouldn't have lost so many. Who knows.
  5. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    CHABAD OF ARGENTINA RELIEF APPEAL INC have got approximately 7,000 votes since the last leaderboard (less than four hours ago). I thought petfinder.com were doing well when I saw they got nearly 4,000 in that time. Those are serious amounts of votes.
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    I had no idea that was happening. I wouldn't have been as vocal about others had I known. I guess we'll see if they consider that ok or not
  7. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    They just overtook them with around 40 minutes to go. Still Petfinder.com will get $400,000.
  8. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Petfinder.com took back first position. They are getting masses of votes each. V. close.
  9. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    Here is the email I sent Chase in case anyone want to use it as a kind of template:

    chasecommunitygiving@chase.com

  10. Kina

    Kina Moderation Team Lead

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    I really don't know what is going on here. I had to set up a FB page just to vote so I guess my vote will be suspicious because I have no friends on this page, nothing at all. I am sure others have had to set up facebook pages to vote too. I have done a fair amount of fundraising for an organization that raises money for children in Africa with AIDS. It is possible, if you have a ton of contacts, to rally a ton of support in a very short time. Contacts get in touch with their contacts and things really roll. So we really don't know if the ramped up voting in the last few hours is a result of cheating or just good networking. People also sign up with fake names on facebook all the time -- I did just because I don't like facebook.

    If any of these schools are involved in cheating, then shame on them for teaching their children a really bad lesson. I don't think the Chase Community can ban charities that have a religious basis because that's pretty discriminatory. The money is going to better their jewish community not push religion on people.

    I am not sure if the camcorder giveaway is against the rules -- paying people to vote is against the rules.

    I am sure the Chase Community will look into all the complaints and weed out the cheats. We will know soon who has cheated and go the boot from the contest.
  11. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    I hadn't heard about that. I think most would consider any kind of financial or benefit inducement like this to not be 'kosher' (sorry, couldn't help myself). I think votes induced by this lottery (I bet there weren't many and WPI I'm sure wasn't aware of this) should be voided too.
  12. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    I've got to disagree. The camcorder lottery is very like paying people.

    Chase can set up the rules however it wants, including excluding religious orgs. just like if a corporation wanted to donate money to a homeless shelter, it could, it isn't legally required to then donate the same amount to a religious org. It's their money; they can give it to whomever they please. Apart from the rules, I don't think religious orgs should be allowed in these contests anyway.

    Getting thousands of votes an hour for local community based orthodox hebrew schools seems very suspicious to me especially when some of the votes are coming from people in the middle east with FB pages in arabic for example.

    FB used to not allow fake names and was very serious (way too serious imo) about it. Someone said they thought FB had changed that rule at some point. I don't know. It does seem reasonable, though, that for a contest votes from fake accounts should not be allowed, even if the fake accounts were allowed on FB otherwise.
  13. LazyLizard

    LazyLizard 11yrs with ME

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    I was thinking the same. Jewish families (esp. orthodox) are huge. I also thought these communities
    would actively support each other or a cause. So they have something we don't have.
    They might simply be better at grabbing these funds and it is up to Chase to decide if they
    want to give that money to religious schools next time.

    Same here. I didn't call or repeat-message my contacts to vote for Chase but not to get
    a vote or a question in reply is hurting.
    I suppose that's what Facebook friends in general are rEALLY WORTH. It's a virtual friend that
    you can switch off, "unfriend" and the like. My general excitement with Facebook is going down,
    down, down.
  14. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    [Edit:] In light of the fact that the email from Chase, below, said it has already approved eligibility of the Jewish school charities and the fact that we should focus on letting Chase know how amazing and deserving WPI is for the $500K in discretionary spending, the research I suggested in this post, below, isn't worth it now, imo.

    ie There is a silver lining in winning less than $100K in that we are eligible for the $200K discretionary spending prize. (There is also an additional $300K in discretionary spending for which I believe all the charities in round 2 are eligible).

    So, lets focus on letting Chase know how deserving WPI is!!
    chasecommunitygiving@chase.com
    And if you have any spare time after that, send a separate email, ideally from a different email account, not mentioning WPI, but pointing out the voting 'irregularities.'

    http://apps.facebook.com/chasecommunitygiving/rules
    Posted by Jane Clout on
    http://www.mecfsforums.com/index.php/topic,7504.54.html
    [End Edit]

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    It is probably a good idea for someone to look into Lubavitch Chabad, which is the org to which the Jewish charities belong. It is Hasidic ie extreme/fundamental/orthodox Judaism. Someone could look into how their general approach (and that of the individual 'charities') is inconsistent with Chase's 'ban' on religious orgs.

    I have only a passing familiarity with Chabad, basically just from growing up in NYC. Their practices and attitudes, I think, strike most people as fairly (though not totally) extreme. They don't stone women who commit infractions and the like. They are just really strict- people can't use electricity on the shabbot (sabbeth). Males, including little boys have to wear black three piece suits and black hats even when it's 100 degrees out. The hats must be worn to seperate oneself from God, etc.

    This is only my understanding and is not nuanced enough and may be, at least partly, inaccurate. I don't want to 'spread falsehoods' about a religion or sect so pls correct me if I am inaccurate.

    If someone has the time, please look into this and compare to the Chase rules.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad_outreach
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad_messianism

    http://apps.facebook.com/chasecommunitygiving/rules

  15. Nielk

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    Hi Justin,

    I just wanted to clear up this misunderstanding about Chabad or any Jewish organization.
    We are taught not to recruit people from other religions NOT because we feel we are "chosen ethnicity/race". That is very far from the truth. We are taught that everyone is entitled to their chosen religion. There is no reason for conversion to Judaism as long as a person is ethical and moral. As a matter of fact a non-Jew who is moral and ethical is considered on the same plane as a Jew who has to keep 613 commandments.
    It is for this reason that conversion to Judaism is not advanced - because it is so hard to be a commited Jew.
    You will find in history that the Jews are the only religion that never had crusades or massacres against other religions. To us, a righteous non-Jew is on a very high level.
    In addition, there are converts to Judaism but, only at the bequest of the individual.
    If an individual who is knowledgeable about Judaism and seeks to convert, he has to go through a whole process of learning the commandments and if then he/she still wants to do it, The Rabbis perform a ritual of conversion.

    I only wanted to contend with this aspect of your post.
    As far as why they were accepted into the Chase program, I have no idea. I would think that it would be pretty naive of chase not to realize that these are religious organizations, yet they allowed them to enter and pass the first stage of the contest.

    If there was any illegality about their existence in the contest, I would fully agree that something should be done about it.

    Nielk
  16. justinreilly

    justinreilly Stop the IoM & P2P! Adopt CCC!

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    Nielk, Thanks for educating me. I obviously wasn't aware of all that and it is good to hear! I have edited my posts to try to incorporate what you said.

    In any event, in light of the fact that the email from Chase, below, said it has already approved eligibility of the Jewish school charities and the fact that we should focus on letting Chase know how amazing and deserving WPI is for the $500K in discretionary spending, the research I suggested in my previous post isn't worth it now, imo.

    i.e. There is a silver lining in winning less than $100K in that we are eligible for the $200K discretionary spending prize. (There is also an additional $300K in discretionary spending for which I believe all the charities in round 2 are eligible).

    So, lets focus on letting Chase know how deserving WPI is!!
    chasecommunitygiving@chase.com
    And if you have any spare time after that, send a separate email, ideally from a different email account, not mentioning WPI, but pointing out the voting 'irregularities.'

    http://apps.facebook.com/chasecommunitygiving/rules
    Posted by Jane Clout on
    http://www.mecfsforums.com/index.php/topic,7504.54.html
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    I think the difference is the pattern. Anyone who joins Facebook started at some point, but when hundreds of people seem to join Facebook within minutes or seconds of each other just to vote in the exact same contest, it begins to look pretty shady.
  18. Nielk

    Nielk

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    I agree with you Justin.
    Lets work together to get WPI the most money possible!
    Thank you for editing your post!:thumbsup:

    Nielk;)
  19. Dolphin

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    I don't know much about Judaism - there are few Jewish people in Ireland - can anyone give me a link to information on what is being referred to with regard to women or describe it briefly? I had a quick look at this wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad but nothing much showed up for women/female. I don't want to have wade through masses of stuff but my curiosity has been piqued. PM me if you prefer although I don't make any promises I'll enter into a lot of correspondence as I would prefer not to (busy).
  20. Nielk

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    I can give you a quick short version.
    One of the most important element for Orthodox or Hassidic women is to be modest. Modest within and modest with dress.
    Women, in order to be modest and not attract attention from men dress in a way where they cover their elbows and knees.
    Once they are married they take on the obligation to cover their hair. It does not have to be a wig. It could be a hat, scarf or whatever one wishes.
    It's not true that women have to be hidden. tending the children. It's their choice,They are an integral part of society. They go out to work or stay home. Just like any women, it's their choice. Some are teachers, lawyers, doctors, occupational therapist...etc. They are normal people.
    What Justin was alluding to about not using electricity on Saturday - the Sabbath is not just an obligation for the women. It's for men, women and children. It's the day of rest that is devoted to family time. They are not allowed to do any type of work.
    The Talmudic Rabbis have declared that turning on or off electricity falls in the category of work and therefore not allowed.
    There is not driving of cars, cooking, shopping, watching TV on the Sabbath. In the morning there are services in the synagogue and then the family sits down to have a festive meal together. The rest of the day can be used for reading, visiting friends (walking distance) taking a nap etc.. It's a means for the family to spend time together without any interruptions and it's rejuvenating.

    I hope I have given you a glimpse in the life of....

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