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Chase Community Giving - what other successful groups are doing

Discussion in 'Action Alerts and Advocacy' started by Dolphin, May 24, 2011.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    There will probably be other Chase Community Giving and similar contests.

    I was curious to know how the Jewish groups are flying up the leaderboard.

    Here is one cause that is (it only has 159 likes on its own Facebook page)

    Their webpage/website is nice and clean/simple: http://www.votescha.com/
     
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    http://shmais.com/chabad-news/lates...ew-academy-seeks-chase-community-giving-grant

     
  3. Dolphin

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    Hillel Academy Milwaukee

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hillel-Academy-Milwaukee/170275189661186 only has 206 likes

    The Jewish groups didn't have it all their own way:
    shabbos=the Sabbath.

    They had a polling station at an event:
    Unclear so far where they got the surge.
     
  4. Dolphin

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    I don't know how ethical this is:

     
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    http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=14637&alias=a-last-click-for-chase-giving
     
  6. monobear

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    I can't access the chase page right now, but I'm almost positive prizes are against the rules. If so, they need to be reported directly to Chase. Can someone access the Chase page and see if this is correct? It seems especially unethical if teachers are bribing kids.
     
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    Interesting find, Dolphin. This is from a different contest, but is a standard opinion "You may encourage your friends and other eligible individuals to vote for your Entry; however, you are not allowed to offer any individual any form of incentive, inducement, prize or chance of receiving any incentive, inducement, or prize in furtherance of receiving such individuals vote for any Entry. Any contestant determined by Sponsor and/or its representative (in their sole and absolute discretion) to be engaging in such behaviour is subject to disqualification." Generally it is accepted that people will ask family, friends or give a vote for a vote, as long as there is some direct contact. A prize, using fake accounts or purchasing votes is considered cheating.
    Offering a prize for votes, I believe, is generally grounds for disqualification. I don't know where they are in the list right now, and for some reason I cannot load the Chase contest to see, but this is not usually considered an acceptable way of gathering votes. Freebiesforfriends is HUGE and has come under attack before for similar contests within contests.
    Hmm. I don't know what, if anything we should do with this info. I guess it depends on where they are in the rankings....
     
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    I want to know how Chabad of Argentina came out of nowhere one day and appeared at #5.

    Re: rules - I don't think there are too many rules with Chase. They even say explicitly that they are not required to count or determine votes that may be fraudulent, automated, or otherwise unsportsmanlike. Nothing about prizes.

    I offered to donate to other orgs which is not too different from offering to give mini-camcorders.
    Someone else is offering Starbucks card lottery for us.
    Trading votes isn't much different.

    I think the bribes worked the best in that (reverse) order. Donation to people's orgs wasn't enough to get people to vote. People are selfish. Offer the voter himself a prize directly and he's more motivated, eg. the Starbucks card. Trading votes worked the best because the other orgs in the contest wanted to win as much as we did.

    Too bad we didn't figure that out earlier. To win the competition, ally with a group of competitors.

    Anyway, I'm already throwing in the towel for CFIDS. I think the man-hours everyone has put in including staff between both orgs has been worth over 100k.
     
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    They have overtaken WPI now and we are about to fall out of the Top 10. So I think we should definitely do something with this info!
     
  10. Hope123

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    I'd like to thank the people on and off this board who have been plugging for votes all along. We should be proud that the WPI doubled its votes from Round 1 -- not bad for a group of sick people.

    There are some barriers I see that have been mentioned that probably inhibited people from voting, some correctable, some not.

    - A lot of people with ME/CFS have not been diagnosed.
    - People who are diagnosed may not know about the contest. Some don't stay in close touch with ME/CFS groups. Today, I encountered someone who knew nothing about the contest but went to vote soon after I told her. Some people who have "recovered" from CFS just want to get away from it and anything associated with it. [This is what people who have relapsed have mention to me about their time in remission.]
    - People who are diagnosed might not want their vote to be public since they haven't told or don't want to tell people they are ill.
    - People might not be able to maintain as large a social network and some have been abandoned by family/ friends.
    - People might be concerned about their privacy with regards to Chase getting access to their profiles.
    - If I recall correctly, some major ME/CFS international organizations didn't issue a call for votes from their members.
    - A minor detail but WPI could have written out the initials on their intro paragraph. People on the boards are use to knowing what MS, GWI, etc. are but your average person might not. However, if GWI had been written out as Gulf War Illness, perhaps people who support the military might have been more interested.
    - People feel that their votes won't manner. In my personal e-mail to get people to vote, I told them that PANDORA won $20,000 with a margin of 24 votes last year so EVERY vote does count.

    Anyhow, it's all a learning experience and we still managed to net some major money for both orgs. $50,000 is quite a bit of money; we need more but that isn't bad.
     
  11. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    I think there's a big difference between voting for a group for the chance of a prize (like a camcorder), in which you might vote even if you didn't support that cause particularly, and being part of a loose alliance of health charities encouraging each other in mutual voting because we all recognise the importance of good health. I think a bribe like a camcorder would be considered "unsportsmanlike behaviour" and as such, against the contest rules.
     
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    I dont want to stress you but another organisation from behind got a lot of votes (that Southern Connecticut Hebrew Academy) so we are curently on the 9th place.there is also that ...India foundation which is going very fast - just some hundreds votes behind us and there are 2-3 more organisations which could be better on the end. so people try to get some more votes - we do it for us and noone will help us

    Hope, I dont agry. everything what you wrote is true but if we will do a small mathematic. On the end we will get maybe 9 000 votes - I think we can say that in average every patient brought 5 votes (I know a lot who brought 20-30 votes) - so we can say that there were around 1500 patients who voted (maybe even less because also som Autism, GW,....voted for us, or some exchange votes). I followed the campaign and the people posted about almost everywhere. You wouldnt believe where everywhere it was posted, in so many countries in all over the world. I am sure that this campaign had to reach 10 thousands of patients - even more

    I tried to encourage some patients to vote but you wouldnt believe what kind of excuses they had to dont vote. Sometimes I had impression that we always try to find an excuse and we try to find more how it is not possible than how its possible. When it will not change we will stay in big...where we are.
    also remember that WPI ist our biggest hope and even with this the support is in my eyes very small. so I see these numbers very pesimistic
     
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    In those 12 hours, these two groups had the following moves:
    HILLEL ACADEMY INC 3686 (+3288) to 6974
    CONEJO JEWISH DAY SCHOOL 4480 (+2337) to 6817

    Do anything like that again and they'll knock the WPI out of the top 10.
     
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    I messaged Chase, asking if incentives, gift cards or offering money for votes was permissible. I figured with no time we might as well be direct!
     
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    I'm no lawyer, but I took a look at the Chasegiving rules just now - I wonder if these extracts are relevent?

    ChaseGiving Rules: http://apps.facebook.com/chasecommunitygiving/rules
     
  16. Nielk

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    Hi,

    Being Jewish myself, maybe I can shed some light as to why these Jewish organizations are having such a success.
    Firstly though, I want to comment that I agree that the giveaway of camcorders to get people to vote in my view too is unethical. I don't know if there is something specific in the rules about it but, regardless I think it's unethical and if we found out that it's against the rules I think we should call them out.

    Jewish (especially orthodox) which these charities seem to be, are very close knit. They each probably have a huge list of members they can reach by e-mail. There is also an authority figure involved like a Rabbi or principle. If a member receives an e-mail coming from that authority figure, they will act upon it. In addition, they are a healthy group and active. They might even reach out to other Jewish communities to help them out. For example the organization of Chabad is HUGE. They are all over the country and abroad. If they sent out a mailing to many Chabad organizations, they will get responses.

    That's just my view. I am personalty very hurt by some of my "friends". I sent out e-mails and pms on Facebook. I got some responses that they took care of it but when I go to check on the Chase website, I don't see that they voted. What do I do?
    Go back to them and say "hey I just checked the Chase website and don't see your name there?"

    I feel like I am working sooo hard to get maybe all together 15 votes! It's frustrating.
     
  17. Dolphin

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    Don't be too dispondent - at least you raised the issue of private money for research can be useful - people can get stuck in the mindset that it's governments' responsibility to fund all research I think (particularly, say, in countries like the UK where the government pays for virtually all healthcare).

    One thing that motivated me last weekend was to also plug this article at the same time:
    http://bit.ly/mRPRS2 i.e.
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/content.php?421-M.A.D-in-May-5-Support-ME-CFS-Research

    And whatever happens, both the WPI and the CAA each got $25,000 in Round 1.
     
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    I agree, it's so frustrating. I agree that I would not consider it sportsmanlike to have a contest for 7 camcorders, but I guess it is Chase's call. If they say it is ok, I would be happy to put up a prize myself if it would keep us in the top 10. The question is where? Does anyone have an idea?
     
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    It would seem possible that all these people asking other family and friends for votes for research will lead to money in the future, either through donations or else perhaps some sort of fundraising or part/full proceeds of some event.
     

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