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Chalder & Wessely - Functional(Psychogenic)Neurological disorders 6 Sep

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by slysaint, Aug 21, 2017.

  1. slysaint

    slysaint Senior Member

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    Third International Conference on Functional(Psychogenic)Neurological disorders; Sep 6-8 Edinburgh
    Wessely day one "The Lessons from Shellshock"
    Chalder Day 3 discussion.

    Program here:
    https://www.fnd2017.org/FND-Course-2017-Files/Program_FNDwithFaculty.pdf

    Edinburgh Uni:
    http://www.ed.ac.uk/clinical-brain-...international-conference-on-functional-psycho

    "The 3rd International Conference on Functional (Psychogenic) Neurological Disorders will take place on September 6-8, 2017, in Edinburgh, Scotland.

    This three-day conference will cover all functional disorders in neurology, including:

    • Functional Movement disorders, Non-Epileptic Seizures, Functional Speech / Visual / Cognitive / Dizziness

    • Aetiology and Mechanism including neurophysiology/fMRI

    • Treatment, ethics and controversies

    • Multidisciplinary faculty and attendees
    For all enquiries please contact fnd2017@movementdisorders.org"

    proluvies excrementum in abundance.
     
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  2. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

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    Also Mark Edwards, who has a reputation as a psychobabbler regarding ME/CFS. And Mark Hallett, from the ongoing NIH study.
     
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    slysaint Senior Member

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  4. Wonko

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    The other side.
    Psychology can't be very difficult if they can cover it all (all functional disorders in neurology) in only 3 days, it took that just to cover some incomplete research into M.E.

    Or is it easier coz they just make it up as they go along? Or coz they have virtually no new idea's so virtually nothing to talk about?
     
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  5. NelliePledge

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    what about "the lessons from hysterical paralysis"
     
  6. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

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    I have no doubt this bunch is happy to diagnose their MS patients with an additional psychosomatic disorder if they dare complain of "too many" symptoms.
     
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    "Functional disorders are the second commonest reason for a referral to a neurologist."
    https://www.fnd2017.org/FND-2017.htm

    I find that very hard to believe and cannot see how they could verfiy such a claim.

    I could believe that neurologists fail to find a neurological cause for a large number of patients referred to their clinics, but that's unsurprising, as they often perform perfunctory assessments, and how would they know if the patient was subsequently found to have another organic cause of their symptoms if later referred to another specialist such as a cardiologist, and the number will naturally be higher if they're classing organic diseases like ME as functional disorders, in the same way that figures for mental illness are probably inflated.
     
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    Sounds ridiculous.

    Con men stealing a living, making stuff up.
     
  9. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

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    Nasty and incompetent neurologists are the single most common reason for lack of an accurate diagnosis or helpful treatments :rolleyes: This is definitely true, since I said it on the internet :nerd:
     
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    • http://www.ed.ac.uk/clinical-brain-...international-conference-on-functional-psycho
    "treatment, ethics and controversies" :wide-eyed:

    Perhaps we should start a new thread or poll titled "Are your ears burning?"
     
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    Does it really need three days to say stuff you just made up that requires zero evidence base?

    Actually I guess I could present for weeks if I was just allowed to say anything,...... space monkeys, chocolate teapots on mars, rabbit dogs in the centre of the earth, flying cats, I could just co on and on.
     
  12. Sean

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    Only if you define it that way.

    Honest people would simply say 'we don't know'.
     
  13. A.B.

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    I would say neurologists need the concept of functional disorders more than anyone else because the brain is so poorly understood, with limited testing available, that they more than anyone else encounter unexplainable symptoms.

    A functional disorder diagnosis is the magic trick which turns uncertainty into certainty.
     
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    Oh the irony that people tend to think that brain surgeons are the cleverest of the lot.
    Maybe it's a question for the pub quiz.
    Q. What do you if you're not a competent neurologist?
    A. Pretend you're a specialist in functional neurological disorders of course!

    Anyhow, as an antidote in anticipation of the nonscience of ""The 3rd International Conference on Functional (Psychogenic) Neurological Disorders" I have created a thread on "The 13th International ME Conference and 8th Biomedical Research into ME". :p http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...nal-conference-events-2018.53654/#post-891778
     
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    Yea, this is arse backwards, since functional neurological disorder is essentially a non-diagnosis (its: we haven't found anything).

    This means that failure to obtain a diagnosis is the second most common outcome if you see a neurologist.
     
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    Oooh, can I do that therapy? :woot:
     
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    I like to use an analogy with UFOs. Its fine to see a UFO. UFOs exist, they are unknowns. Then there is the other extreme that talks about alien visitors and flying saucers and so on. Sure, they might exist too. However the cultish extreme is about claiming all UFOs are flying saucers.

    Psychosomatic functional claims are the UFO cultists of the medical world. Its tolerated, I suspect, because doctors like having a too hard basket to throw cases into.
     
  18. SilverbladeTE

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    Somewhere near Glasgow, Scotland
    Wessely & Chalder:
    examples of why some morons can believe in things like the "Flat Earth" or Eugenics :p

    also make me think they are the kind of person that maybe invented the "Prince Albert", hm?
    I mean, who the HELL was stupid and crazy enough, back in the day before antisepsis and anaesthetics, to drive a nail through their dick and put a CHAIN through the resulting hole?!
    Eeeeeeeeek!
    Definitely psychobabbler levels of stupidity! :eek: o_O :wide-eyed: :zippit: :aghhh: :jaw-drop: :D

    me thinks they should be renamed: "Smeg babblers" evil-smiley.gif


    einstein only two things are infinite.jpg
     
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    That's worrying, it shows they aren't stopping after the Shorter invitation. Could you link me the post you wrote about the different members of the NIH team? I have no idea where to find it.
     
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