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CFSAC meeting Oct 3-4, 2012

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Andrew, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. SOC

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    I agree, but part of it is that some of the speakers are getting right up in their faces. Most people don't respond well to being publicly criticized, especially if they feel they're not personally responsible for the behaviors being criticized.

    The individuals at the table seem to be wanting to help -- if somewhat ineffectively. I'm not sure how they can respond to some of these public comments. In the moment, anyway.
     
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    I wonder if she knows what "diddling" means as slang ... still appropriate in the context, but makes me giggle :p
     
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  3. SOC

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    Go Jenny! :balloons: Absolutely brilliant presentation!
     
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    Tremendous comments from Jenny Spotilla. Placards very effective.
     
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    Is that Andrew? (Missed the intro).
     
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    Yes! Andrew is on!
     
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    Well done Andrew!!!
     
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    Excellent points, Andrew.
     
  9. SOC

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    Another clear, pointed presentation. :) Great work, Andrew!
     
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    Good job, Andrew!
     
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    Yeah Andrew. I'm proud of you. Very well spoken and polite. A great representative for us. Much appreciated.:thumbsup:
     
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    It was so effective and clear. Thank you Jenny.:thumbsup:
     
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    Running out the clock is a time-tested technique for gving non-answers that appear to be useful. Ever watch a congressional committee meeting on C-SPAN? Those people are expert at appearing to say something while actually just lip-flapping...
     
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  14. SOC

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    Oh yeah, this is a really helpful presentation for the US patient population.
     
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    That last one confused me. Are there ME criteria (link?) that are different from the CFS Canadian criteria?
     
  16. SOC

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    Courtney Miller did a great job, too. Wonderful conclusion to the public testimony. :)
     
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  17. SOC

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    Don't get me started. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, if people really want to read all the definitions, here's a Jason 2012 article comparing ME definitions. Keep in mind though that the Canadian and ICC are the most recent.

    http://www.ashdin.com/journals/ACPSF/K110601.pdf
     
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    Who are these "ME experts" that approve funding for studies?
     
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    Doesn't it sound like a series of vicious circles? We can't get funding because there are not enough proposals, but there's not enough proposals because there's no funding. We can't get a good team of experts evaluating proposals because there's so few researchers that the same people who want to propose research would be the same ones evaluating the research. :thumbdown: But we can't get more researchers into the field if there's no funding.... It just keeps going around and around and around....
     

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