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CFS: comparing outcomes in White British and Black and minority ethnic patients

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Scarecrow, Feb 7, 2016.

  1. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Revolting Peasant

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    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2016/01/22/bjp.bp.115.169300

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  2. Denise

    Denise Senior Member

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    How effective is their type of CBT in people of "diverse BME" with other illnesses?
     
  3. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Sickening on a number of levels.
     
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  4. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Do people with black skin's brain function differently? Do the color of your skin make you experiment feelings in a different way? Do the color of one's skin have an effect on cognition?

    Trudie Chalder is definetly NOT a scientist.
     
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  5. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    Interesting that the title is comparing outcomes and the abstract only mentions comparing starting points. It would have been worth getting someone to proof read it, let alone referee it.
     
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  6. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Well that's an amazing finding, because obviously the assumption until now has been that people from diverse BME backgrounds wouldn't react at all to CBT, unlike White British people who are happily cured of ME by it.

    There's a reason why this is the "first study" on the subject.
     
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    Old Bones Senior Member

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    White vs black minority ethnics??? What the . . . ! I didn't think it was possible for my opinion of these scoundrels to get any worse. It just did.
     
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    It might be interesting to know if working class folks are more immune to psychobabble than university educated folks.
     
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  9. jimells

    jimells Senior Member

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    I wonder how many drops of "African blood" it takes to qualify for the "BME" group...
     
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  10. roller

    roller wiggle jiggle

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    know your target audience
     
  11. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl Senior Member

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    How offensive! This is almost bordering on racism.
     
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  12. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    I'd say it's well and truly crossed over that border.

    Unless I'm reading this wrong, they're saying that black and minority ethnic people are more inclined to harbour false illness beliefs and to 'catastrophise' than white people are, are more prone to engaging in 'all-or-nothing behaviour' and 'avoidance' (I think that's biopsychosocial speak for 'malingering', isn't it?).

    This reads like a despatch from some particularly unpleasant functionary of the East India Company, circa 1886. Be interesting to see if this one makes the front page of the Guardian. It should (and not in a good way).
     
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  13. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl Senior Member

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    I wonder if our pure-bred English lady from King's is descended from a slave trader?
     
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  14. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    They seem to have taken care to have a ‘diverse’ group on the research team. But the question is, what about the core biases built into standard psychological measures for things like ‘all-or-nothing behaviour’ or 'catastrophising'? These are, like so much in psychology, subjective concepts. Given that academic psychology has always been predominantly the preserve of white people of certain socioeconomic groups, how can they know that what they measured here at baseline wasn’t cultural bias hard-wired into some fundamental concepts of psychology, rather than any fundamental differences in the patient groups? They can’t.

    I find this paper very revealing. It says a lot about the business of psychology, none of it good.
     
  15. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Hoarder of biscuits

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    Excuse me, I have to go vomit.:ill:
     
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    Are there any UK anti-discrimination groups that might be interested in this study? According to a tweet I saw someplace, one of Coyne's immediate goals is to enlist support from other social institutions, like preachers, etc.
     
  17. Purple

    Purple Bundle of purpliness

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    Is it possible to find out who funded this?
     
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    Ecoclimber Senior Member

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    Not familiar with UK groups other than the Black Triangle Group
     
  19. moosie

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    I am completely incensed by this!
    What on earth are they talking about???
    What 'treatments' work for white people and not for black people?
    Christ.
    I've read it 3 times.
    Keep thinking I must be misunderstanding or missing something.
    WTF
     
  20. Aurator

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    It's a worthy complement to an earlier study done by Bhui and others, including a couple of well known names:
    http://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-9-26

    There's endless potential for doing studies like this - studies that start from vague and dodgy socio-ethnological premises and reach vague and dodgy "scientific" conclusions. You're not supposed to point out their utter worthlessness, because the supposedly egalitarian intentions driving such studies are in themselves noble enough to make the whole caper worthwhile.
     
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