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CFS at British Association For Behavioural And Cognitive Psychotherapies (BABCP) conference 2016

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  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    BRITISH ASSOCIATION FOR BEHAVIOURAL AND COGNITIVE PSYCHOTHERAPIES
    Belfast
    The Waterfront Conference Centre
    15th-17th June 2016
    44th Annual Conference

    KEYNOTE SPEAKERS




    http://www.babcpconference.com/programme/keynotes_2016.htm

    Trudie Chalder, King’s College London

    Chronic fatigue syndrome: the trials and tribulations of outcome studies


     
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    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Symposium 6 – Behavioural Medicine and Child and Adolescent – Meeting Room 2B

    Understanding and treating co-morbid fatigue, somatic symptoms, sleep and distress

    in young people


    09.50 The overlap between chronic fatigue syndrome and mood disorders

    Trudie Chalder, King’s College London


    Keynote Addresses 11.30-12.30


    Trudie Chalder, King’s College London

    Chronic fatigue syndrome: the trials and tribulations of outcome studies

    Chair: Maria Loades, University of Bath

    Hall 1D


    Symposium 13 – Behavioural Medicine – Meeting Room 2A

    Adults with Medically Unexplained Symptoms

    Chair: Trudie Chalder, King’s College London

    13.30 Teaching GPs cognitive and behavioural skills: General knowledge and confidence

    Meenal Patel and Trudie Chalder, Kings College London

    14.00 A Transdiagnostic approach to persistent physical symptoms: The description of a trial

    protocol and intervention

    David McCormack, South London and Maudsley NHS Trust

    14.30 Health anxiety in CFS/ME: mutual maintenance?

    Jo Daniels, University of Bath

    15.00 The long term follow-up of the PACE trial: CBT and GET in CFS/ME patients

    Trudie Chalder, King’s College London



    Other CFS:

    Symposium 6 – Behavioural Medicine and Child and Adolescent – Meeting Room 2B

    Understanding and treating co-morbid fatigue, somatic symptoms, sleep and distress

    in young people


    09.25 Mood in paediatric CFS/ME - what we know and what have yet to establish

    Maria Loades, University of Bath


    10.15 Psychological Factors in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome & Irritable Bowel Syndrome: Similarities & Differences

    Hazel Carrick and Maria Loades, University of Bath
     
  3. duncan

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    If she really thinks fatigue is a continuum with fatigue at one end and CFS the other, then she does not know what CFS is.

    Or, she is peddling something altogether different.

    This strikes me as a fairly pedestrian error.
     
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  4. lnester7

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    OH MY what an opportunity to ask for biomedical research and make them jump over shoes (the millions missing protest)! one can dream of the opportunities.,
     
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  5. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    What in heavens name it 'meditational analysis'? (last line of quote in post #1)
     
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    I was about to say the same thing. She is speaking nonsense. Its a category mistake.
     
  7. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    She mean this paper on mediation:
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)00069-8/abstract

    If something 'mediates' a treatment effect, that means that it plays a role in making the treatment effective.
     
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  8. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    So it's a typo then, I'm aware of mediation.
     
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  9. duncan

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    I will defer to @JaimeS for this, but while one can talk about "over 25 years of research", or "about 25 years of research", I'm unclear as to whether anyone can have "over about 25 years of research..."

    I'm thinking we can offer to subcontract our editing services to this psych association.

    If we land that gig, I think we should throw in for free the press release announcing Phoenix Rising's role.
     
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  10. JaimeS

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    Good lord. Someone thinks that meditation is the same thing as mediation (not YOU, @Snowdrop!)

    They've leapt OVER about 25 years of research to be where they are today!

    But seriously, folks, I'll be here all week.

    BUT SERIOUSLY, FOLKS, there is also a subject-verb agreement problem in that same sentence.

    ...need a good editor, but writing does require logical thinking skills. And I'll only offer my services if I get free rein regarding... 'tone'.

    -J
     
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  11. Sean

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    *sigh*
     
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    If the intent is to use the long term follow up to say how the treatments work then the honest interpretation would be to say they don't work in the long term.
     
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  13. Chrisb

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    It seems to, very cleverly imply, that all that CFS is fatigue and, in 75% of cases a mood disorder. Perhaps this should be taken as conclusive evidence that the CFS they refer to is something other than ME.
     
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  15. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    My word processing programme's Autocorrect feature has an option, after Spelling and Grammar, marked 'Tell the Truth?' I ran that Chalder intro through it and it came out as:

     
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    yeah....it's like phrenologists claiming that you know, brain cancer pushes out the skull thus proving their "science" is correct!

    lunatics running the asylum :p
     
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    I would love to hear that lecture. I especially want to hear how they work according to long-term follow-up, given that CBT/GET groups did no better than 'control' groups.

    Not to mention the mediation analysis. The authors claimed a causal relationship between changs in attitudes etc and fatigue/function; they said the claim was strenghened because the changes in attitudes happened before the change in outcomes, but this isn't true - they were able to claim that in their paper because they left out the data showing that actually (self-reported) outcomes changed at the same time at attitudes. Perhaps attitudes were changing simply because fatigue/function was improving and there was no causal relationship:
    Omission of data weakens the case for causal mediation in the PACE Trial - The Lancet Psychiatry
     
  18. Yogi

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    Since Tuller's investigation came out Trudy Chalder and Peter White keep using this phrase 'Trials and Tribulations' in their presentations.

    What does it mean? - It means:
    • unhappiness, pain, or suffering: an experience that causes someone to suffer
    • troubles and events that cause suffering
    • tests of one's patience and endurance
    Hey Trudy Chalder now perceives that she is unhappy and in pain and suffering from the PACE trial. I thinks she is trying to get sympathy vote from her peers now that the 'science' for the PACE trial has been proven to be a fraud. Well then lets send this for Trudy to the Belfast conference for the conference dinner.

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    Well at least Trudy Chalder can share some of the suffering that we have to endure from her and her ilk for forcing CBT on us and denying proper treatments.

    I think poor little Trudy just has 'False Illness Beliefs' that she is suffering from and well she can try a little CBT on herself to cure herself.

    If this is genuine given her unhappiness and suffering then why is she is enduring with it all and continuously speaking at conferences pushing a flawed and dangerous treatment when the PACE trial has been shown to be a fraud??

    Oh forgot... about her lucrative insurance consultancy work that she does and the ££££££ and $$$$$$$ must help with all the trials and tribulations!!
     
  19. Ben Howell

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    Thing is, 'meditational analysis' could very well be one of these bizarre made up terms that the psych journals seem to be littered with. They have a habit of using words which no one, even themselves, have a clue what they mean. Science without the science. It would be funny if the consequences wern't so tragic.
     
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  20. Keith Geraghty

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    ....its a statistical method to show the influence of one variable on another - ie x might cause y - but there may be a z variable on the causal pathway: if you enhance z and show and effect on y you partly show some influence --- Prof Chadler uses this method to try validate the CBT model of CFS - which is basically that beliefs impact behaviours -

    Its some of the most outlandish science in terms of what variables you want to stick into your model to show some realtionship - but one thing you cant get over is that this method does not demonstrate causality - there may be more variables or confounders the p, q, r, s, t, variables you havent looked at --- so it doesnt prove anything.

    this is an extract form a paper Ive recently submitted

    "Researchers have sought to validate the CBT model for CFS using mediation analysis, a statistical method to test how a mediating variable transmits the effect of an independent variable onto a dependent variable: Stahl et al. (2014) sought to validate CBT’s efficacy by testing the role of “fearful cognitions” as a mediator between avoidance behaviour and illness outcomes (e.g. fatigue) in CFS. However mediation analysis is a correlation test, which does not prove causality (MacKinnon et al., 2007) and Stahl et al. concede that the positive effects that they observed from CBT in CFS could have been brought about by other factors and other possible treatments, not just CBT, and that the exact impact of CBT on cognitive processes remains unclear."
     

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