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CDC RESPONDS TO THE QUESTION, by Mindy Kitei

Discussion in 'Media, Interviews, Blogs, Talks, Events about XMRV' started by Mindy Kitei, Aug 12, 2010.

  1. V99

    V99 *****

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    The CDC had no interest in really testing those samples. They don't want the XMRV investigation to go anywhere. The question that should be asked is why haven't they also done a study that was calibrated with those samples?
     
  2. Otis

    Otis Señor Mumbler

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    Well said. That lower moral ground seems to be subterranean at this point.
     
  3. Otis

    Otis Señor Mumbler

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    Vincent Racaniello, who hasn't appeared to be that tough of a CDC critic (at least on this paper), made the point that as a peer reviewer he would have asked for the CDC to display they could detect XMRV in blood. But as the CDC said, they adhered to the study design. Arrrgh. I am continually amazed at their transparency. Who do they think they're fooling?
     
  4. markmc20001

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    Hey Otis, obviously they are not fooling many of the sharp folks here, but they probably think they are fooling enough to get away with it politically? Michelle Bachmann and death panels???? :p
     
  5. anciendaze

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    The morality on display here is not the immediate question. What bothers me about that response (or lack of same) is the implication that the validity of their test assay is not a subject open to discussion. If you can't compare the work of one group with another, and ask questions about the basis, you can't do science. (Perhaps, we should ask what they have been in the business of doing for 25 years.)

    They deliberately inserted a statement in their paper about the lack of a panel of control subjects/specimens which, given the omission we now recognize, was deliberately misleading. They have created an assay, and now plaintively ask for someone else to provide controls which will validate their results without validating claims that some people are infected. Quite a conundrum. (Note: These people need not be CFS/ME patients, though I expect it will be easier to find infection in such. Ila Singh found a way around reliance on WPI for samples. The CDC didn't try.)

    I'm glad I don't have to defend their "Test Assay Development" in front of a room full of PhDs. It could be a memorable spectacle.
     
  6. Otis

    Otis Señor Mumbler

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    Would love to be a fly on that wall!

    And apparently Retrovirology doesn't feel obligated to explain themselves either. If you haven't seen this thread by Mindy Kitei. Where do I sign up as a peer reviewer? I remember a bit from high school biology.
     
  7. V99

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    I think the CDC have been so safe and comfortable, they didn't realise what XMRV meant until in the last few months. They really did think it was contamination.

    Now their choices are limited, and they are stalling. If they're listening, I can tell them exactly what they must do to limit the damage. Tell the truth!
     
  8. Andrew

    Andrew Senior Member

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    If Bill Clinton can get off the hook by saying he didn't know oral copulation was a sex act, the CDC can certainly get away with this.
     
  9. V99

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    I didn't know Clinton got away with it.

    The CDC can only get away with it, if everybody helps them to. If the Government lies, then we have a problem. I really hope they don't try anything funny with the Alter paper, or in the future. But I'm ready for it if they do.
     
  10. RustyJ

    RustyJ Contaminated Cell Line 'RustyJ'

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    Not about fooling people. It's about deniability.
     
  11. ggingues

    ggingues $10 gift code at iHerb GAS343 of $40

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    I will take a Conservative over a Liberal any day! Happen to notice who discovered XMRV? The gov't and all their research? or a "Free Market" research lab? With some skin in the game?

    If people could keep their money, they can spend it how they chose!

    I am sure it would be easier to get money from Americans etc who see how sick we are instead of begging and begging for money from the Feds for research!
     

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