Your assumption makes sense though. The terms “lumpers” and “splitters” have been used for a long time in connection with our illness. “Splitters” refers to the likes of the ICC and CCC authors, who claim that there is a separate neurological disease embedded within the CFS cohorts. “Lumpers” includes the Reeves definition and NICE Guidelines authors, who claim that it's all one illness entity with differences mainly in severity. Dr. Unger has been loathe to acknowledge the position of the splitters, a position that might be bolstered by the test-retest protocol. She's been keen on using instruments that differentiate only in terms of severity. If we jump to the wrong conclusions here, Dr. Unger has only herself to blame. It's hard to imagine that nobody taped the call. What would be the reason for such an oversight?