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CD4 count

Discussion in 'XMRV Testing, Treatment and Transmission' started by Daffodil, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    hi all. wanted to put a couple of questions out there. my sedimentation rate is high, but i have read it is supposed to be low in CFS. but then in other places i read that it is high in inflammation....does anyone know about this?

    also. my recent cd4 count was 560. the one before that was 870. is this very bad? doesnt look good to me for it to be that low....i thought it was mostly NK cell function that goes down with CFS?


    thanks
    xoxo
  2. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    Hi Daff,
    What are the reference ranges, different labs and countries use different ranges etc.
    The bond uni study that are studying nk function have also found that cd8 function is low as well, so maybe other cd lymphocytes dont function well even though the numbers can be within the reference ranges.

    cheers!!!
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  4. Overstressed

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    Hi Daffodil,

    CD4 counts tend to fluctuate, that's absolutely normal. To get a picture of how well your immune system functions, it's better to check your CD4/CD8 ratio. That gives you a much better picture.


    Best regards,
    OS.
  5. Timaca

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    My CD4 count is usually below 400. My CD19 is also low (33 last time).

    I'm guessing it may be related to HSV1. The only time my CD4 was above 500 was when my HSV1 IgG was lower (usually it's as high as the lab measures).

    I may talk to my doctor about adding this in: http://www.amazon.com/Immune-Assist...MX86/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329491844&sr=8-2

    Because I read this interesting abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22135886

    We are also upping my valtrex dose to try to combat the HSV1.

    Best, Timaca
  6. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    thanks guys. timaca..i guess i always associated low cd4 with HIV...thank you, i am less worried now, knowing it is common in CFS.
  7. Timaca

    Timaca Senior Member

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    Your numbers are not low enough to indicate HIV. However, you could always get tested to be sure. I do not lead a lifestyle that would cause HIV, but I've been tested for it twice. Because my numbers are so low and because I have family members who have done dental work on HIV patients in Africa....
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    low cd4 are caused by almost all cronic infections by almost all viruses and bacteria according to severity, immune suppression is also found on final stages of cancers, so looking at cd4 is not useful.as overstress said cd4/cd8 is much better, i have only cronic hbv and i do have very low cd4/cd8 and low cd4 percentage but not hiv.gcmaf may have reversed all that today after about one year but i will recheck at the end of therapy, cd counts are expensive and not so useful

  9. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    thanks guys. i just do not for the life of me understand why there is no data on how gcmaf affects cd4 or nk cell function. why didnt anyone get these tests done??? 100's are on gcmaf now...maybe 1000's.

    i have been checked for HIV multiple times too, just for the heck of it.

    healthy people have a CD4 count 800 - 1300 or something i think......its rare that an HIV+ person would have it over 1000.
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    Yamamoto, the creater of GcMAF, did not pursue a patent on it. The people who decided to keep GcMAF alive would have to finance such tests. I posted on your old thread :D
  11. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    hi charles!

    i thought yamamoto owns the patent on how to manufacture it?
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    As I recall, the papers published by Yamamoto and Ruggiero, when treating HIV and cancer patients showed substantial (2x to 4x) improvement to CD4 levels.
    These papers can be found on the internet.
  13. Charles555nc

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    Yamamoto wants nothing to do with GcMAF except that he doesnt want people claiming he helped produce each brand's version of it. Thats the last I heard of it about 8 months ago. The last manufacter I bought GcMAF from, even admitted Yamamoto had falsified some of his findings. But the individual companies producing GcMAF may be improving upon his design...
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  14. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    i heard that he lied about stuff too
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    There is so much fraud in the treatment field, it's really annoying.
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    Hi Charles, Daffodil,

    can you tell us what the manufacturer said and what lies are going around ? I don't know anything about falsification of the tests...

    Best regards,
    OS.
  17. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    hi OS......i cannot remember where i heard this....sorry :-/
  18. pilgrim

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    Hi lobba,

    can you say what doctor is treating you with GcMAF? If you can't, I'd appreciate if you could pm me.
    I'm looking for a doctor...
    Thanks
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    Daffodil Senior Member

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    enlander, klinghardt, bradstreet, demeirleir etc etc
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    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Cheney, Bieger....

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