(just an observation) I’m reading an introductory psychology book to try to fill gaps in my knowledge. I came across the following: -------------- . ----------------- I think this is one of the reasons why the models underlying CBT and GET are annoying: they assume we have caused the problems we have. Similarly, we can overcome the impairments and symptoms if we just try hard enough. In such a situation, “the norm of social responsibility” applies and we aren’t considered worthy of help and support. As I’ve mentioned before, the model of the illness that Peter White and the Barts service seems to have e.g. based on their submission on the draft NICE guidelines (some extracts here: http://bit.ly/11KW7zm i.e. https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/...P=R2063&I=-3&d=No Match;Match;Matches seemed very similar to me to the model some people might have for people who are very obese i.e. that they caused the condition themselves and that they shouldn’t receive too many supports and aids – they can conquer it with enough will-power and that giving supports like parking badges may get in the way of them pushing themselves enough. It annoys me when people say that the reason one doesn’t like the CBT and GET models for ME/CFS is because one is prejudiced against mental illnesses. It is a lot more complicated.