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CAUTION: Vitamin B12 Sublinguals — The Citric Acid Additive Can Erode Tooth Enamel

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by Hip, Apr 22, 2011.

  1. dannybex

    dannybex Senior Member

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    I agree -- I wish they would stop using -- or that some company -- maybe the company that makes Anabol -- would make a methylb12 without these unnecessary sweeteners. At least the Enzymatic product doesn't have any citric acid -- that may have been the ingredient that was causing tooth and gum issues. The fructose in the Enzymatic b12 could cause a problem for teeth, but that probably depends to on one's overall dental situation. Personally, I rinse with water and a little baking soda after the tablet has dissolved.
     
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  2. arx

    arx Senior Member

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    Hi Fred,

    I'm sorry but I should have been more specific. The mb12 sublinguals contained citric acid, which I think was causing the entire sensitivity and soreness when I started with the protocol. I have gum inflammation and itching now. I'm using a gum astringent and a remineralization toothpaste.

    How is you health these days?
     
  3. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    Would Tri-Salts work for a remineralizing toothpaste? It has Calcium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, and Potassium Bicarbonate. I'm not sure if that's the cheapest solution for others, but I already have some so it's free for me :)
     
  4. adreno

    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    The citric acid in the Jarrow B12 also blasted my gums. Switched to Solgar, and problem gone.
     
  5. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    If a sublingual doesn't have citric acid listed as an ingredient, but it does say "natural orange flavor" could it still have that?
     
  6. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    dbkita was saying that Source Naturals Dibencozide caused problems even though it doesn't have citric acid (although it does list natural flavors as an ingredient). However, as other people mentioned part of the problem might be due to keeping it between the upper gum and lip as this person was doing rather than holding the sublingual under the tongue (as god intended it). I would like to know what's going on because I've recently been taking Perque's Hydroxocobalamin between my upper gum and lip. I've been too afraid to try any of Source Naturals' sublinguals there though, but I haven't had any problems using theirs under my tongue even though both the ones I use seem to have a sour flavor (haven't tried their 10mg dibencozide, but I'm not sure if it's the b12 itself or the fillers that cause people problems).
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/anabol-dibencoplex-vs-source-natural-adb12.21575/
     
  7. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    I had heard that using plain baking soda (not baking soda toothpaste) was abrasive, but according to this it seems it scores very low on abrasiveness measures. Interestingly, some of the "sensitive" toothpastes scored moderate rather than low on abrasiveness. I'm not sure if this matters, but it seems the source of these scores are the companies that manufacture the toothpastes. The source of blain baking soda's score was by the company that makes Arm and Hammer baking soda toothpaste.
    http://www.satyen.com/toothpastes.shtml
    I wonder if there is a difference of abrasiveness of baking soda depending on whether you mix it with water when brushing your teeth. I'm not sure why some people are saying it's abrasive.
     
  8. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    Thorne has methylcobalamin in capsule form so that could be taken sublingually by putting it between the lip and gum. Someone was also saying you could make your own sublingual tablet by using a tube and a rod and hammer. I don't remember where the thread is though.
     
  9. wirebeard

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    The sublingual B12 liquid I use doesn`t have citric acid as an ingredient but it makes my teeth go crazy.. I think I know what causes it because I get exactly the same thing from eating pure raw honey, The B12 brand I use is made from
    Purified Water, Glycerine (vegetable), Cyanocobalamin, Potassium Sorbate.

    Glycerine is made from sugar so I think it`s got something to do with the sugar & which would explain why the honey causes a similar feeling.
     
  10. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    What does "makes my teeth go crazy" mean?

    Note that the cyanocobalamin form of B12 is not generally recommended in ME/CFS.
     
  11. L'engle

    L'engle moderate ME

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    What I've started doing if it's hurting my teeth is lying on my stomach or sitting with my head leaned forward while they are absorbing. That way it runs onto my lip instead of my teeth. Still possible to use a laptop or tablet that way.
     
  12. wirebeard

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    It kind of hurts a bit like a toothache for a few minutes and then goes away, honey does the same thing, it`s like it gets inside and gets to the nerves or something. My teeth are in ok shape with nothing serious going on. After learning more about the cyanocobalamin B12 I`ve decided to not get that type anymore and get the Methylcobalamin from now on. Is it just not as good or is there something bad about the cyanocobalamin?
     
  13. taniaaust1

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    Cyanocobalamin contains cyanide as most of us have trouble with toxins and many of us take high doses, it just isnt a probably good thing to be taking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanocobalamin .
    It also needs to be converted by the body to become an active form of B12 and many of us dont convert well and need an active form.

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    I have lost most of my enemal due to sports drinks a doctor had me on at one point for the POTS. I havent thou noticed any issues with taking my methyl B12 under my tongue for nearly a year now. I take the high potency Natural Factors brand (which does contain lactose and another thing I dont know what it is, along with cellose and a type of magnesium).
     
  14. L'engle

    L'engle moderate ME

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    taniaaust1. I use eco-dent tooth powder to help my enamel. I think it is keeping pace with it for me and helps sensitivity.
     
  15. wirebeard

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    I think it`s just gum sensitivity or something but I`ll try the Methylcobalamin and see if it does the same thing, I think it`s the glycerine causing the pain though and not the actual type of B12. I can take it and try not to get it near my teeth and that`s ok but it would be good to know what causes it and why. I guess eating pure honey or glycerine is not such a good idea for teeth or for glucose levels either.
     
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    I had a really nice talk with my dentist and he is going to give an answer. He didn't know off the top of his head. But we were agreed that tooth enamel does not have any nerve endings, so you aren't going to feel it if the enamel is being dissolved, until it's gone and the exposed nerves in the dentin start reacting.
     
  17. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years First Do No Harm

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    I could swear I had one of the types of B12 (methylB12 or AdB12) erode the tooth enamel on an upper front tooth. It was painful and I had to wait for my dental insurance to kick in to take care of it.

    Now if I'm going to let the B12 slowly dissolve I tuck it into my LOWER gums, that way it doesn't fall by gravity into the gumline. It still can get into the lower gums so I try to rinse it away when about 30 minutes have passed.

    The B12 molecule is too big to be absorbed sublingually, so all this is doing is trickling it slowly into the stomach where it's eventually absorbed anyway.
     
  18. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    What did your dentist do for the eroded enamel?
     
  19. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years First Do No Harm

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    The eroded enamel turned into a cavity so I had the usual cavity restoration. This was the first time I've ever had a cavity appear on one of my upper front teeth.
     
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  20. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    The nerves in teeth are sensitive to heat, so even if the enamel is just thinned by acid erosion, this will reduce thermal insulation of the enamel and allow more heat from hot food or drinks through to the nerves in the dentin. So you may well experience tooth sensitivity to heat even when the enamel is just thinned.

    Note also that acid erosion is not uniform: it creates pits and holes in the emamel. So again, even if not all of the enamel is eroded away, you may have tiny pits and holes that allow access to the nerves in the dentin below the enamel. So again you may experience tooth sensitivity even when the enamel is just thinned.


     

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