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Can Kefir colonize the gut?

Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by Adster, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. Adster

    Adster Senior Member

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    It seems "normal" probiotics can't colonize the gut, is there any solid evidence that Kefir can? I've seen claims, but that's about it.
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    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    What would make kefir different from other probiotics?
  3. Adster

    Adster Senior Member

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    I don't know. Yeasts perhaps? Maybe the bacteria can only colonize in symbiosis with certain yeasts. Just speculation of course.
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    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Hi,

    I'm with you on the symbiotic nature of yeast and bacteria. The scobies in my kombucha were
    extremely virulent. I had to kill them with bleach. Nothing else worked.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but can you tell me why you're using the term "colonize". I'm assuming bacteria and yeast follow
    the food as it moves through our guts and don't actually hang out where there isn't any food. No food = death.

    Also, are there any studies on this ? I just can't imagine anyone proving this .. But I could be wrong.
    Lol ..

    I kept meaning to look at what function yeasts have in our guts but got side tracked. I'm assuming it has a
    purpose tho. We know s boulardii keeps c diff under control.

    Tc .. X
  5. Adster

    Adster Senior Member

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    My understanding may be incorrect, but I'm under the impression that as soon as you stop normal probiotics that just contain typical bacteria, then you will not have any lasting changes. I think studies have shown that the bugs in these supplements can't "stick" to the intestinal tract and "make a home". Conversely, if you have a series of fecal transplants, the bugs will stick and colonize after treatment ceases.

    I'm wondering if Kefir can do the same thing.
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    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    I copied this is from a private message board .. I don't know how privacy issues work I'll give you the link if this person says it's ok and you need it.

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    Adster Senior Member

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    Thanks XC, interesting. Frustrating that the treatment was unsuccessful for them though, it can't be a fun experience!

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