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brian nicholson detained in psyschiatric unit with me cfs for 3 years

justy

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I believe that most avenues were worked on in the past to get Brian freed...and failed. I believe at one point he was let out, but with no support whatsoever and so ended up being sectioned again - is this right?

I am sure there is info on the other thread, but Brian is, I believe, a Canadian citizen and as such there is some shady involvement with an insurance company? maybe this is muddled, but this is what I understood.
 

Countrygirl

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I believe that most avenues were worked on in the past to get Brian freed...and failed. I believe at one point he was let out, but with no support whatsoever and so ended up being sectioned again - is this right?

I am sure there is info on the other thread, but Brian is, I believe, a Canadian citizen and as such there is some shady involvement with an insurance company? maybe this is muddled, but this is what I understood.

Hello Justy, Brian is English, but on every other point you are absolutely right. Everything possible was done and we did obtain Brian's release after a long fight. However, they refused to give him any support in the community and we strongly advocated for this, but it was declined. He was only free for a few days and then was resectioned.

We did provide him with a massive file of evidence which two of us produced based on his medical records that I obtained. It provided him with damning evidence, but only he could act on it. An inquiry was instituted, but I have no doubt it was designed to fail from the start and the hospital was only going through the motions. We left no stone unturned.

If someone else is able to visit Brian and can orchestrate a new programme of advocacy for him that would be wonderful. Just be aware that it is a complicated case. Also bear in mind that It may not be irrelevant that Brian has a good pension for life providing his ME diagnosis is not removed by a psychiatrist and replaced by a psychiatric label.

Does anyone know if there is a website which would provide us with the details of insurance agencies who have NHS psychiatrists on their payroll?
 

MeSci

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Longshot: anyone feel like tweeting Simon ? Maybe for once he could do some good. (I 'm not on twitter).
What does that mean? You mean Simon who posts well-researched Phoenix Rising articles? If so, why would one tweet him?
 

Countrygirl

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Suspect she means Sir Simon. Which baffles me.

Nobody deserves that! Poor Brian..............what a terrible thought.

(Although to be honest I can guess........I think.......what Rosemary really means, but I think she gives SW too much credit. Anyway, B already has a Devon version of SW...........he really doesn't need two of them.)
 
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Hello Justy, Brian is English, but on every other point you are absolutely right. Everything possible was done and we did obtain Brian's release after a long fight. However, they refused to give him any support in the community and we strongly advocated for this, but it was declined. He was only free for a few days and then was resectioned.

We did provide him with a massive file of evidence which two of us produced based on his medical records that I obtained. It provided him with damning evidence, but only he could act on it. An inquiry was instituted, but I have no doubt it was designed to fail from the start and the hospital was only going through the motions. We left no stone unturned.

If someone else is able to visit Brian and can orchestrate a new programme of advocacy for him that would be wonderful. Just be aware that it is a complicated case. Also bear in mind that It may not be irrelevant that Brian has a good pension for life providing his ME diagnosis is not removed by a psychiatrist and replaced by a psychiatric label.

Does anyone know if there is a website which would provide us with the details of insurance agencies who have NHS psychiatrists on their payroll?

It sounds like you had a long tough fight in your heroic efforts to help Brian. I hope it didn’t have an adverse effect on your own health. I hope Brian makes use of the file you collated. He seemed to want to involve the press. Best to find someone outside the UK.


When a person has been institutionalized for a long time there is often the need for some form of transition or rehabilitation before they re-enter the community. It doesn’t matter whether they were diagnosed with schizophrenia or ME or something else. Brian needs a healthy advocate, one that understands the intricacies of the system they are dealing with. Sadly, there don’t seem to be many like Dr. Speight, and I believe he has entered a well-earned retirement.
 

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Hi i have been injected with paliperidone plud clozipene togrther i am struggling to talk to ghese doctors you could on all day but when thdre are things going on with company and insyrdr what do you do. Its all in your head
 

Countrygirl

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"Esther12,

Does anyone know what evidence is being used to justify Brian's treatment?

(While writing this, I noticed that this is not in the 'members' only' section, so I have limited the content of my response.)

Largely, the answer to your question is Brian's inability to care for himself in the community in combination with his persistent ME symptoms that are viewed as evidence of a psychiatric disorder.


I had a copy of Brian’s very large file of medical notes and at one point knew them off by heart as two of us wrote a very detailed document for an appeal.

It is a very complicated story, but the records make it very clear that the psychiatric staff have no knowledge of ME and they made it very clear that they have no wish to learn. Brian’s ME specialist even travelled to the facility where he is held to negotiate on Brian’s behalf. The psychiatrist told Dr BH that he agreed with him that Brian did not have any sign of a psychotic illness at that time and that he intended to release him. (I know this from personal communication with the doctor). The psychiatrist immediately following the doctor’s departure then went to Brian and devastated him by saying that Dr BH agreed that he was mentally ill and that he was going to increase his dose of clozapine and keep him under section. It was almost as though Brian was being punished for his doctor’s intervention. It was a clear attempt to undermine him and was in my opinion very cruel. It was also a lie.

Brian’s ME symptoms are frequently being referenced in his medical notes, including his very pronounced nystagmus (since when has nystagmus been a sign of psychosis?), but they are interpreted as evidence of mental illness and used as supporting evidence that he requires increasing or additional doses of antipsychotics.

Unfortunately, the psychiatrist also wrote to B’s others consultants who were managing his POTS and instructed them to withdraw from his case so the psychiatrist has full control.

There were I’m afraid many irregularities in B’s care, but the system is completely stacked against him and no outside influence has any lasting effect.

Brian does need accommodation where he is supervised and given the assistance and medical care he needs and where his physical illness is also recognised and appropriately treated, and that is most definitely not the place where he has been for the past few years.
 

Esther12

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The psychiatrist told Dr BH that he agreed with him that Brian did not have any sign of a psychotic illness at that time and that he intended to release him. (I know this from personal communication with the doctor). The psychiatrist immediately following the doctor’s departure then went to Brian and devastated him by saying that Dr BH agreed that he was mentally ill and that he was going to increase his dose of clozapine and keep him under section. It was almost as though Brian was being punished for his doctor’s intervention. It was a clear attempt to undermine him and was in my opinion very cruel. It was also a lie.

I wish I had more faith the the truth would come out and Brian would then be treated fairly. Best wishes to all.
 

Countrygirl

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I wish I had more faith the the truth would come out and Brian would then be treated fairly. Best wishes to all.

So do I, but doctors are teflon coated, so I doubt the situation will change.

It was impossible to arrange unbiased legal representation for B as the solicitors who were supposedly acting on his behalf always sought and acted on the psychiatrist's opinion. We tried to speak on his behalf and provide evidence, but we were (illegally, I understand) denied that right. It is a very unjust system where laws and basic human rights are ignored. It is indeed a terrible fate to fall into the hands of psychiatrists who seem to be able to abuse the right of the patients and ignore and maltreat or ignore their physical illnesses.

I wonder if there has been any research that has investigated whether those with a certain personality disorder are particularly attracted to working in the field of psychiatry?
 
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Esther12

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Just felt guilty for being a bit odd/rude to @bohemian - it's just a bit awkward and I'm not sure how best to respond. Best wishes to you. I hope that things improve for you soon.
 

Maria1

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I just came across this:

http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/project/mental-capacity-and-deprivation-of-liberty/

And wondered if it was of interest to anyone here.


Deprivation of Liberty orders (DOLS) are used to treat people with physical illnesses or to keep them safe in the absence of mental capacity. They are often used for older people with Alzheimer's. The law used for DOLS is the Mental Capacity Act. An individual's capacity must be assessed according to specific decisions, in order that as little freedom as possible is lost. For example, a person with Alzheimer's may not be deemed safe to leave their Care Home, but safe to choose their own clothes and food, and move freely within the safe environment of the Care Home. It's a difficult area, but people can't just be deprived of their liberty without proper process. Locked doors should always mean a DOL is in place.

http://www.mind.org.uk/information-...act-2005/deprivation-of-liberty/#.VmaEIUrfWK0

People who need treatment for a mental health problem can be detained under the Mental Health Act, a completely different law to the Mental Capacity Act. This can only happen if somebody is deemed a danger to themselves or other people.

http://www.mind.org.uk/information-...-to-treatment/mental-health-act/#.VmaIf0rfWK0

http://www.mind.org.uk/information-...h-act/compulsory-admission-to-hospital/#legal
 

Little Bluestem

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Brian certainly isn't a danger to himself or anyone else, but I wonder what his mental capacity is after all that has been inflicted upon him the past 3 years.
 

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We really, really need a prominent and/or wealthy person to get on board and fight for us. I see too many lives being needlessly destroyed
dick smith is taking suggestions as to where he should donate his 1 million $ charity giveaway to if anyone else wants to get on his site and make a suggestion