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BMJ Rapid Response: Is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome a meme? 18 June 2014

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Firestormm, Jun 18, 2014.

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    Oh I see. There's an internet slang word for such behaviour. Trolling.
     
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    It's an outrage that stuff like this is still getting said given the lack of evidence to back it up.
    Nevertheless, one day, not too far away now, it will be abundantly clear that this guy and others of his ilk are terrible at science and foolish of mind. They will be remembered for what they are and their own words will convict them in the books of history forever.
     
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    I am of the opinion that one day is no longer decades away, but years at most, for ME at least. For other diseases still caught in the evidence wasteland of psychogenic medicine, they might have to wait for some time more. Of course psychogenic proponents will protest till the end. I found it very interesting over the years to read accounts of scientists whose pet theories were disproved. Until they got too old to continue they often kept trying to prove their theory. I think I read some of this in a book on this very topic.

    The problem with psychogenic medicine as it currently stands, and BPS in particular, is its Zombie Science. It receives financial and political support because it suits other agendas. Even though its dead for ME and about to be buried, like old horror movies you can expect the villain to be resurrected a few times.
     
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    They are basically covering their backs with NICE guidelines. As long as those guidelines are as bad as they are, those psychos are practically untouchable. :(
     
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    It would be interesting to see what happened to psychogenic proponents of MS once MRI scans sealed their fate. Just washed their hands and found another group to abuse?
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Well, the NICE guidelines don't say that patients kid themselves that they're ill in order to get disability benefits. I don't think they're untouchable.
     
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    That's a very interesting question. It would make a great PhD for someone (seriously).
     
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    Mrs 'those views should not have been shared in public' Buckley is also responsible for shaping the health care of the East region

    http://www.southend.nhs.uk/about-us/media-centre/southend-news/nr-99-(2013)/

    So if you live in these regions expect real treatment to be replaced by CBT
     
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    Interesting comment:

     
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    I agree with you totally. That comments like these should be approved by the moderators of the BMJ RR is, to my mind, more horrifying than the fact that there are ill-informed health professionals who choose to write such things. Shame on the BMJ.
     
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    I think that the BMJ's RR are close to an internet forum - they have all sorts of barmy stuff up there.

    The BMJ have serious problems with the way in which they cover issues around CFS, and the way in which they select which comments should be published in print, but I don't think that them posting this up online is a problem.
     
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