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Bleaching household mold helps breathing

Discussion in 'Autonomic, Cardiovascular, and Respiratory' started by xchocoholic, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. rosie26

    rosie26 moderate ME

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    It might pay to read up on what the effect of breathing the fumes of bleach long term are on the brain. ? Could cause other health problems @xchocoholic. It is corrosive, burns, destroys.

    Be careful as what seems to feel good at first could do you a bad turn in the end. Also if ME turns out to be auto immune and neurological I can't see how bleach could have any effect on those conditions ?

    I think it is only helpful in that it gives you a feeling of being disinfected in the respiratory system and I guess a bit of the fume molecules would also get into the stomach and make you feel a good feeling from the disinfected feeling. ( I noticed this affect a few years ago when cleaning something with bleach).

    Best to wait as there is good research going on and we may get a better idea next year what is happening in ME.

    x
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  2. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

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    Xchocoholic, I've done a lot of research on MMS, and have experienced many benefits from taking it over the past several years. Every time I start taking it again after having taken a break, I wonder why I ever stopped to begin with, because my energy always improves, and I feel better. But that's just my experience. I'll be curious to hear what Mercola, Hyman and others have to say, but I think the person you should trust most is yourself. --- Good luck.

    All the Best, Wayne
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  3. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    My guess is that the improved breathing comes from the decreased mold in your home and not from the fumes.

    Doesn't the chlorine bleach bottle say to use in a well ventilated place? Several years ago I became hypersensitive to chlorine bleach and cannot use it anymore.
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  4. aimossy

    aimossy Senior Member

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    @peggy-sue interesting! salt may dry damp air maybe possibly clean it a bit too.
    saline nebulising for chest conditions contains salt helps loosen chest congestion for example but too much can dry a patients chest out too much in another way.:)
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  5. peggy-sue

    peggy-sue

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    The salt lamps would dry the air a bit, wouldn't they? Good point, @aimossy
    As well as killing off bugs or mould that lands on it.
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  6. aimossy

    aimossy Senior Member

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    I reckon it would plus sea air and all that!!!!:rofl: isn't salt a bit of very mild antiseptic?
  7. peggy-sue

    peggy-sue

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    Yes, it is an antiseptic.:thumbsup:

    Think about the use of salt water gargles for sore throats.
    Basically, it draws all the water out of a bug.
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    aimossy Senior Member

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    haha totally forgot that too!!!! didn't fully think about drawing the water out of the bug bit but that makes total sense!:balloons:
  9. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    Do you have any links to authoritative, impartial information about MMS?

    I would advise anyone thinking of trying this product to read this kind of info very carefully before deciding.

    For example this FDA page

    and this PubMed page

    and the Wikipedia page linked to above.


    It is extraordinary the number of sites that have clearly been set up by promoters of this product, making it very hard to find impartial info.
  10. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

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    Hi MeSci, Hi All,

    I went to a pain specialist doctor several years ago, inquiring about using opioids for pain relief. She was reluctant to prescribe that, but readily offered me a prescription of vioxx. I looked at her rather incredulously, and asked her if she was aware of how many people were having strokes and heart attacks from vioxx. She said she wasn’t. I then mentioned that I had run into many references on the internet without even doing specific research on the topic, and was reading reports that literally thousands of people were dying from taking it.

    She sort of looked at me like I was a bit of a kook for “believing the internet”, or whatever else she may have been thinking. It took the FDA another 2-3 years to acknowledge there was a problem and finally ban this product. In the mean time, many more people died (tens of thousands) or suffered horrible injury. — My point being: What is a reasonable definition of authoritative and impartial? You quote the FDA, but I myself don’t consider them to be at all credible. I, and I suspect many other people, believe they often play the role of being a mouthpiece and tool of the pharmaceutical industry.

    As sad as it may seem to many who discount testimonials that proliferate on the internet, I myself put as much or more credence in them than some respected institutions and various medical publications, which I’ve found again and again to be extraordinarily biased. I recently ran across an account of a man who was very disabled from chronic Lyme, and used various alternative therapies to fully recover. Just a couple of his therapies and the percentage he felt was responsible for his recovery included: MMS (10-15%), BioPhoton (30-40%), and there were more. Are either of these therapies EVER going to be given some stamp of approval by authoritative and impartial institutions? To me, the answer is obviously no.

    Some people prefer to have some kind of official stamp of approval for a product or therapy to make them legitimate, and I really have no problem with that at all. Other people, such as myself, listen carefully to what others have to say, and what their experiences have been. I then look at their credibility, assess the risk/reward ratio, and decide for myself what I want to subject my body to. This makes more sense to me than blindly taking the advice of doctors and institutions who have much less interest in my health than I do. I personally believe navigating our health care system, and putting too much reliance on conventional medicine parameters is one of the most dangerous things we do in our lives.

    For me, in the end it’s all really pretty simple. We look for the best information possible, and then in a sense, become our own authorities on the risk/reward ratio of what we’re looking at doing. Some people orient toward conventional medicine with all its strengths and weaknesses. I am more oriented toward alternative therapies with all of its inherent strengths and weaknesses. So in the end health care decisions, like all other major choices in our lives including religious or spiritual, is a personal decision, and we choose what makes the most sense to us. Sort of what life is all about, wouldn’t you say?
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  11. peggy-sue

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    I believe firmly that if a cult or relgion or "faith" is involved at any level in a treatment, that it has no credibility whatsoever at all.

    "MMS" is bleach. It is dangerous. I would not recommend it or endorse it. I don't think it should be being promoted here at all.
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  12. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    I do not trust doctors or other health professionals. I don't blindly trust government bodies either. I'm not a big fan of modern medicine in general, and prefer a natural approach. But when clear evidence exists that something can be seriously harmful, and when the internet is dominated by multiple websites run or sponsored by the manufacturers/sellers, I trust those even less. I would give no credence to an online account which cannot be verified. It could have been written by anyone.

    Yes - we are all free to choose what we do to our own bodies. But I know of absolutely no independent evidence that this chemical is beneficial as a medicine, and some of the claims made for it (by Humble and his colleagues) are downright crazy. There are so many reasons to view it as suspect.

    You say you have felt better for using it. Many things make people feel better, including street drugs and unhealthy foods, but they can be very dangerous in the longer term.

    In the end it is up to you. But it disturbs me greatly to see people taken in by charlatans. I do not want people with this illness to get even worse - I want them to get better!
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  14. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

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    Peggy-Sue, MeSci,

    Sorry, didn't mean to upset you. I'll quit posting on this thread.

    Wayne
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  15. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    Good find, Peggy-Sue.

    I first came across this chemical being promoted as a medicine under the name of 'aerobic oxygen' - a name which should cause you some amusement (if the issue were not so serious). Do a search for this and again you will find the net saturated with hits promoting it, many probably being sites run by the same people.

    It was someone on another ME forum talking about using it, and she was using it.

    I had hoped not to see it rearing its ugly head here.

    Don't worry about causing us distress, @Wayne. I'm more worried about you and other (potential) victims of this quackery. It's not as if there isn't already enough officially-sanctioned quackery for this illness. :(
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  16. peggy-sue

    peggy-sue

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    When you google "ME", huge ads for the lightening-your-wallet process appear right at the top.
    I'd like to second what MeSci said about you not causing us any distress, @Wayne - I'm more worried about you than upset at your comments.
    It IS often very hard to tell what's ok and what's not.
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  17. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Hi @Wayne,

    Please feel free to express your opinion
    here. You've given this thread the balance
    I look for when researching a product or protocol. I've yet to decide what to do but seeing both sides helps me weigh this out.

    I'm avoiding bleach for now after reading the comments here. The bottle does say to use it in a well ventilated area. And my positive reaction is to killing the mold because my negative reaction, labored breathing comes back when the mold has had a chance to regrow.

    I'll be out of here in less than a month now. : )

    Thanks everyone. Tc .. x
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    xks201 Senior Member

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    Well hell I was looking forward to a forum poster writing a beach log. Wouldn't get much more entertaining than that.
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  19. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    You lost me. But I'm done here anyways.

    I'm in the process of moving and I'd forgotten that I wanted to change the name of this thread because the title is misleading and could be dangerous. I don't know how yet tho.

    It's going to be "Bleaching household mold helps breathing".

    Breathing improvements from bleaching windows screens surprised me. I need to repeat that the mixture needs to be weak or my breathing problems get worse Rising with plain water after about 15 minutes helps too. The need to repeat this every few days was a surprise too.

    tc .. x
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  20. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    rats. I don't see a way to change the title so I'll have to leave it. Anyone reading the thread can see where this ended tho. tc ... x

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