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Bioscreen test at newcastle uni in 1997

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by knackers323, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. aimossy

    aimossy Senior Member

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    @Elph68 have you heard anything through the grapevine when they are likely to publish or good things about results out of interest.
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    They called themselves the Collaborative Pain Research Unit, and their biomarker "breakthrough" was big news at the time. Newspapers around the world ran the story.

    They claimed to have a pair of diagnostic biomarkers, CFSUM1 and CFSUM2. These were urine tests.

    They used to carry out a range of additional blood, urine and stool tests. From this they thought they could subtype CFS patients. In addition, they profiled patients individually, with a view to being able to design individual treatment programs.

    Aside from their own lab tests, they arranged the following tests:
    Mycoplasma DNA via PCR
    Rickettsia DNA via PCR
    RNase L
    Interleukin 2

    A quick update on the Newcastle team:
    - Hugh Dunstan is still a professor in Newcastle.
    - Tim Roberts retired from Newcastle in 2008, and is now a professor in Singapore. He also flogs "Fatigue reviva", an amino-acid miracle (?) potion
    - Neil McGregor remains a practicing dentist (periodontist). He's now in Melbourne. He got into CFS via an interest in chronic pain, which was the subject of his dental PhD, I think.
    -Henry Butt was covered in earlier posts.
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  3. beaverfury

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    Nothing too nasty. No Prevotella, no streptococcus, no staphylococcus, zero clostridium.

    Really high enterococcus faecalis though, 87.5%. This connects to cognitive dysfunctions, sleep and altered intestinal barrier. Normal distribution is <5%.

    A few too many of some strain of bifidobacteria and eubacterium.

    For bifidobacterium i've taken ampicillin, which is also part of my lyme/coinfection regime.
    My stomach improved rapidly. It reduced the burning feeling and made my stomach a bit more robust towards food.

    For E.coli they suggested supplementing with galactose ( a sugar found in lactose free milk).
  4. MeSci

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    I wonder whether the work is funded by the Arab multi-millionaire Sheikh Yabouti...:D
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    @beaverfury do you mean to up the E.coli galactose is good to increase levels that are too low? just making sure I got that right:)
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    Sorry aim,

    All as they said was they had finished their current CFS study and were probably going to do Sleep disturbance next ....
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  7. beaverfury

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    Yep, that's right.

    They wrote, "Consider supplementing oral sugars (galactose, fucose) to increase the densities of current intestinal coliforms (eg E.coli) as opposed to adding a different strain with probiotics.
    Recent supplementation with fructo-oligosaccharide (FOS) may also have suppressed growth of this organism. "

    That's 'fucose', not fructose.

    Where do you get that from in pill form you say?
    ..I have no idea.
    But theres quite a bit of galactose in lactose free milk.

    I've tried mutaflor before. It seemed to coincide with me getting quite anxious and edgey.
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    aimossy Senior Member

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    haha thanks for that!!!!
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    Did you notice an improvement in your fatigue?

    Have you retested to see what the levels of the gut bugs are now?
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    Yes, fatigue has absolutely improved. But i am taking four lots of antibiotics for lyme/coinfections as well, so it's impossible to tease out what is doing what.

    I haven't retested yet. Bioscreen does give you a discount on the retest.
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