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Benzodiazepine Withdrawal and Tapering

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by arx, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. arx

    arx Senior Member

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    Hi,

    I've created this thread for people to share their experiences with benzo withdrawal symptoms,how they dealt with it and how they tapered it.I believe many have had experiences with benzodiazepines, so it will be beneficial for those who are still in the phase of withdrawal and tapering,or plan to.
    It would be good to get a general view of withdrawal symptoms,dosages,tapering schedules and so on. I couldn't find a thread focused specifically on withdrawal symptoms and tapering,so thought I'd create one.

    So please go ahead and share your experience.

    Thanks.
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    22 years on .25 milligram Klonopin. About once a month I'll take a whole pill, .5 mg. I have felt funny if I forget a pill and have tried a couple times to get to .125 milligrams, that dose is too small to help with some anxiety I've developed. The worst is a hitch in swallowing, not having confidence when you're chewing that you can then trigger a swallow. When I've tapered down to a quarter pill that difficult symptom returns and at half a pill it is very manageable (not perfect, with me it depends on how much activity is going on around me).
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    Arx,
    I honestly think this is a Klonopin problem. "Benzo withdrawal" encompasses too many different drugs. I haven't heard anybody on this forum say he /she was addicted to Valium or Temazepam. I remember the rapper Eminem said he got addicted to "sleeping pills", but he never specified what that meant. Could have included Ambien and Lunesta.
    I think Xanax and Klonopin are the most frequently habituated drugs. That might because they are frequently prescribed to people with anxiety or psyciatric problems.
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    Ive seen posts on this forum in the post of people with issues to coming off Valium and Temazepam. They can be just as bad as Klonopin.

    There was only someone having trouble coming off of Temazepam posted in past few weeks who was after advice (umm unless they sent me rest of the info of their benzo addiction and that it was Temazepam by pm here. I ended up refering the person to pm some others here for advice).. i cant remember now.. maybe on the forum they didnt say what benzo it was which they were struggling to come off

    Ive twice developed tollerances to Temazepam dose which I take at times for sleep (tollerance happens extremely easily even thou ive taken with a lot of care) but fortunately in my case I dont have any trouble with not taking it either.
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    It was just one lady though. She was also taking Klonopin. It was for pain apparently. If I patient was in enough pain they would be given pain meds. She also said anxiety was a big issue from external factors.
    In other words, there were extennuating factors.
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    *I meant to say: if a person was in enough pain they should have been given pain meds.
    Sorry.
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    Perhaps there have been a few posts about patients needing to taper off of Temazepam, Valium. But the number of folks addicted, or needing to taper off of Klonopin outnumbers them ten-to-one. There have been several quite long threads about "the dangers of benzos", and I didn't see one post involving Temazepam. It was all Klonopin.

    I think Klonopin has gotten to be the fashionable drug to give to ME/CFS patients. Somehow doctors think they aren't administering a real narcotic. It's considered an anti-seizure medication. Meanhile it seems more of our patients are addicted to Klonopin than any other benzo.

    I've also noticed that in the US there is greater concern about painkiller abuse. It is in on television, in the media, feature documentaries, everywhere. In the UK, Australia there is a lot of attention about a benzo problem. Intense focus. But I haven't seen CNN do a feature documentary about "the scourge of benzodiazopine abuse in America" like they did about Oxycontin last week.
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    For some reason, Klonopin became the weapon of choice among the anti-seizures. However, Temazepam withdrawal can have all the same effects, as well. It actually has a higher kill-rate than the other benzos do regarding withdrawal, with a slightly higher chance of going into seizures. You don't read about Temaz or others as much, simply because doctors aren't prescribing them as much. But the effects are all still very similar.
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    In the US, Temazepam does not have a bad reputation. Or as bad.

    I didn't realize that in Australia, the UK, it is widely abused:
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    All benzo drugs even Klonopin (called Rivotril here) are hard to get in Australia. (it took me ages till I found a doctor willing to prescribe me Klonopin... probably about 35 doctors).

    On the black market in Australia.. Ive heard that just ONE Temazapam tablet can be worth up to $50-60 so that makes my little pack of 25 worth $1250 on the black market.... so one can preceive why these benzo drugs can be hard to get. Its annoying.. that peoples misuse of things prevents others being able to access. It would be very rare to see an Aussie doctor giving out benzos like lollies.
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    Yes, a few people make it hard for the rest of us. I'm sorry about your difficulties.

    To all druggies in Australia: try Vicodin or Oxycontin, like we abuse here in America, it is much better. Leave the TM for real patients (I don't think they listened).
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    For people who are inclined to suggest people taper completely off Klonopin I'd like to ask a question. Having been on a small .25 mg dose for 22 years, what would one make of that?

    Is honing in on my dose and not gradually growing, is that a sign I might be okay maintaining that dose or would people argue to taper completely off under a physician's watching eye?

    I'm sure were I to dump the stuff completely I'd be very less social. I enjoy fellowship in say groups of under 10 or so but minus the K I think I'd become very much of a loner. When I first came down with CFS in my 20s I was so weak I developed a psychological problem of not wanting to eat with others My CFS doc has told me repeatedly this anxiety has a lot to do with the complete lack of energy and were a cure come down the pipe he's very confident all these ancillary conditions would abate.

    I don't know if he's just being optimistic about problems vaporizing were one to get better or is he in some firm ground here where he's seen very sick people with other fatiguing illnesses both acquire and then dump the ancillary anxiety category stuff when they get better (if).

    I wonder about stuff like this.
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    Have you tried some 'drugforums' yet?
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    I've heard many views about Klonopin, from being a 'neuroprotector' to causing permanent damage. I really don't know what to make of it.I know some drugs suit someone while they may not suit others, but in reality, how much damage is being caused by the benzo use and with what dosage is the important thing to know.

    There was also a good article on it posted by PR. Here:

    The Best Drug for ME/CFS? The Other Side of Klonopin: A Patient’s Story and A Survey
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    I think Klonopin is widely used on these forums, but I guess people face issues with Valium and Xanax too. There are so many people asking on those withdrawal forums and calculating the equivalent diazepam dosage of their drug, then they start tapering by switching to that equivalent diazepam dosage and then tapering it carefully. I don't know how effective this is, but I am sure there are people facing issues with Valium(Diazepam) and Xanax(Alprazolam). About these forums, you're right..Klonopin seems to be the most widely used. I also prefer Klonopin to Valium. I get a weird feeling with Valium.

    About Eminem, well, I don't know. I've just read John Mayer uses Xanax. A LOT of celebrities use benzos, because that's the source where I first heard the names Xanax and Valium. Go to Wiki if you're interested in such details.
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    Xanax has become more fashionable, and more and more as a benign lifestyle enhancer. Especially for the rich and famous. Inspite of his reputation as a blues rocker, John Mayer is very Hollywood, so it doesn't surprise me that he takes it. Back in my day, the rockers would all drink whiskey and take 'luuds (nobody knows what I'm talking about).

    New York Magazine did an article about the mainstreaming of Xanax:

    http://nymag.com/news/features/xanax-2012-3/
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    Yeah.their wide use can be seen here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drug-related_deaths

    Quaaludes you mean?? Back in the day I've watched a lot of rock music documentaries...:D
    That's how I came to know Mayer faces anxiety. The quaaludes were mentioned by Dave Mustaine. I liked their guitar playing very much, so I read a lot about them at one point of time..

    Benzos are abused A LOT. I've been reading about valium overdoses and related things in the news since I was a kid..
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    Actually I think Qualuuds are still available for prescription in Canada. There are just an ordinary sedative, like Valium. That kinda got a bad rap, since so many songs were written about them. People who I knew who took them said they were actually pretty good. No better or worse than smoking marijuana. But now just a part of rock 'n roll history. How sad.
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    What all drugs does Borat take?:D

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