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BBC: Leak - ATOS Seeks Early Exit from Work Capability Reviews

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Firestormm, Feb 21, 2014.

  1. Firestormm

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    Good. As the saying goes, "don't let the door hit you on the way out". Diddums about the contract being worth less. Where is the care about all the suffering that this ongoing blunder has put people through?
     
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    The modern corporate credo: Take the money and run.

    I hope their reputation never recovers. Their behaviour is nothing more than state sanctioned psychopathy.
     
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    Cute ... Atos is putting down the same "but WE are the victims!11!!!!!1!!" card which the BPS turds so love to play when anyone disagrees with them.

    It's also interesting that the government is desperate to keep Atos on, despite publicly trying to pin the blame on them for what's been going on. It's looking like the government has no objections at all to Atos' performance, when push comes to shove.
     
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    Part of the problem is of course that the written content, and assessment of 'evidence', is done by the Department of Work and Pensions. They set the standard. It is they who turn things down etc.

    ATOS did not help, but they can share only part of any blame. The WCA was not fit for purpose and still isn't - though efforts via the 'fluctuating conditions group' including ME, HIV, Chrons, and other I forget, led to pilot schemes to try and assess how more reasonable changes to the paperwork at least might improve the situation.

    It's efforts like that - from charities and DWP working together - that will stand the best chance (short of a revolution) of making any difference. But how to judge if changes make a difference? By the reduction in the number of successful appeals? By a reduction in the number of complaints?

    ATOS will be replaced and if I remember correctly it was likely to be by that company that screwed up the running of prisons and the Olympics. But my head is full of wool today so I'm probably wrong.

    Of course the Tories point to Labour and say 'well, you gave ATOS the contract!' and Labour point to the tories and say, 'But you are in Govt. now and failed to do anything about it!'
     
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    The buck does ultimately stop at the government's desk.
     
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    ATOS have become a scapegoat, which is convenient for the UK government, as it distracts people from focusing on government policy and incompetence. But ATOS are simply carrying out the UK government's welfare policy, with a contract specified, issued and endorsed by the government, albeit perhaps implemented slightly less efficiently than promised. (But what does 'efficient' denial of disability benefits look like?)
     
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    Is Atos trying to make us believe that it is pulling out due to concerns about the well-being of their staff?
    :vomit: Hahahahaha! :D
     
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    I guess, in a perverse kind of way, we should be grateful they are not as 'efficient' as they could be.
     
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    I think Atos has known all along what they'd be getting into, and they have no moral objections to doing the nasty things that the government wants them to do. What Atos is probably pissed off about is the government pinning all of the blame on Atos, when Atos is simply (albeit willingly) doing exactly what they were paid to do.

    The government wants Atos to be their scapegoat, but Atos doesn't want the bad press which is coming from being accused of doing their job improperly in the process of the scapegoating. Being paid to be the public face of an evil process is one thing, but they can hardly tolerate being publicly accused of incompetence and such by their client in the process - that's just bad for business.
     
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    You are probably right, but Atos could have said "that's what the government paid us for". Instead they say, "see what these scumbags of lower lives disabled applicants did to us!". Very revealing, isn't it?
     
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    I did hear that ATOS will get the contract to move all NHS patient records around and share them... you know that latest thing they are doing. Think it was in the telegraph the other day :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, I heard that as well. I think their job will be to take charge of anonymising and distributing the entire nation's medical records.
    They fail at one contract, so the government gives them another, taking charge of sensitive and confidential patient records :rolleyes:

    I don't think i'm comfortable with my medical records being shared with random organisations and researchers, whom I know nothing about, so I'll probably choose not to allow access. Haven't decided yet though.
     
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    Makes me laugh. The state of most peoples medical records - what on earth is any researcher going to learn from them: other than that the NHS records are in a right state :lol::aghhh:
     
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    A worrying thing is that many people's records have incorrect diagnoses in them, and even though patients' corrections may be appended to the records, these may not be included when records are transcribed, just as many/most doctors probably don't look at the corrections or take them seriously. Thus for example people with ME may be falsely shown to have a high incidence of psychiatric disorders that they don't actually have. Even if the data are anonymised, it will still give an incorrect and damaging picture of ME. I probably still have info on my record to the effect that I am a pathetic, out-of-control drunk who has panic attacks, none of which is true! It's bad enough this frankly-libellous misinformation being in the hands of the health service - I certainly don't want it to be in the hands of private, for-profit companies.
     
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    Here's the recent (27 February 2014) UK parliamentary backbench debate on welfare benefits:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house-of-commons-26367342

    It had some good speakers, esp the first speaker, IMO.

    The House is almost empty partly because Angela Merkel was addressing parliament elsewhere.
    (Not that that's a good excuse to miss this debate.)
     
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    I can't remember if this has been highlighted anywhere. It's an analysis of the 'threats' and 'abuse' that ATOS staff received:
    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2739-the-facts-behind-atos-death-threat-claims

    Extract from their analysis:
     

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