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Bains Dérivatifs--Cold Water Therapy

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Asklipia, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    I am a really big chicken about cold water, so am filing this for future reference. Does time of day make any difference in sleep improvement?
     
  2. anne_likes_red

    anne_likes_red Senior Member

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    I've found it best longer term not to take a cold bath, shower or swim too close to bedtime. Earlier on I found the baths knocked me out cold ;) and late evening was fine, but after I started responding to them more like a healthy/fit person I found them more stimulating.
    It can take a while to warm up afterwards and feel comfortable. This improves after a while.
    I aim for the middle of the day to mid afternoon and that seems to work well for me.
    HTH.
     
  3. john66

    john66 Senior Member

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    Jack Kruse has a website about cold therapy. He is a nuerosurgeon who used it to lose lots of weight. In one of his many blogs, he describes how to do it safely with a skin temp thermometer. Glad you have found something that helps. J
     
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  5. anne_likes_red

    anne_likes_red Senior Member

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    I used Dr Kruse's protocol, but I was only functioning at around 30% when I started so had to approach it extra carefully.
    Where he suggests you might adapt to cold in 2 weeks I'm guessing he's talking about someone with a certain level of fitness. It took 5 weeks before I was getting intermittent signs of cold hardiness. By 12 weeks I was sweet. :)
    I did get improved, more refreshing sleep from the get go though..and thats what motivated me to continue.
     
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  6. Gemma

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    Note: This post and the following 8 posts were split from the thread:
    The Resistant Starch Challenge: Is It The Key We've Been Looking For?

    ...and merged into this existing thread on cold therapy.

    Have you become more Resistant to cold after including some Resistant starches into you diet?

    Perhaps it is time for cold therapy, or even Cryotherapy?
     
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  7. Christopher

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    Huh?
     
  8. shah78

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    I do cold therapy seven to ten hours a week. Methylation support made me more resistant to cold. I didn't notice an additional "bump" from the RS et al. when I started that three months later. IMHO I can't see how it couldn't help it though. Like Freddd says about Methylation: "Everthing is better". So too with PS et al.: "Everything is better". I just couldn't notice it.
     
  9. Asklipia

    Asklipia Senior Member

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    Yes, but we were quite resistant to cold before that. RS seems to warm us deeply.
    We use Bains Dérivatifs regularly. I have started a thread on it two years ago. Not very popular unfortunately.
     
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  10. Gemma

    Gemma

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    From wiki:
     
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  11. adreno

    adreno on the beach

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    Cryogenic chamber? What's wrong with just taking a cold shower?
     
  12. Gemma

    Gemma

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    How cold is your cold shower?

     
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    Unfortunately, cold stress also requires a massive energy expenditure as part of an attempt to raise body temperature. It results in the depletion of lipids, glycogen, and glutathione in the liver. I don't think most people realize how taxing cold stress can be.
     
  14. Gemma

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    Seems Asklipia has already explored it 2 years ago, after trying out and refusing Cold Thermogenesis protocol, and promoted healing effects of Bains Dérivatifs.

    Worth mentioning another vagus stimulation technique here: oil pulling with sesame oil. It is a very powerful tool too.
     
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    Why not a more inclusive cold exposure? I know that ice baths can be taxing, but this BD seems very limited. Or is it the neural targeting that is most important? Anybody here do ice/cool water immersion and have it help?
     
  16. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Yes, anne_likes_red has posted about it here and in other places.

    Sushi
     
  17. cman89

    cman89 Senior Member

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    she talks about sleep, but I am looking for people that have had neural improvement and ANS improvement along with sleep
     
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    cman89 Senior Member

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    How did you impelment Dr. Kruse's protocol?
     
  19. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    You might do a Google Site Search with her name and topics that interest you as she has posted more about it in other places. She has not visited PR for about 6 weeks though.

    Sushi
     
  20. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    Isn't improvement in sleep improvement in the ANS? She indicates that sleep was the first of the improvement, so there must have been other things. She just doesn't say what.
     

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