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B12 - manufacture and finding 'safe' versions

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Plum, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. Plum

    Plum Senior Member

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    Does anyone know of B12 supplements made not using the process described here:

    http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/database/ingredients/200.vitamin_b12.html

    I know there are food sources, for example; liver, chlorella, spirulina but none of them give the kinds of doses I'd get via B12 injections and they all rely on me having good intrinsic factor (which I don't).

    I am reluctant to go for mass produced B12 as it appears it is all made from bacteria which are genetically engineered and fed on GM crops. I understand the necessity for this and the science behind it but am still reluctant.

    Does anyone know of or use a non genetically modified or engineered version of B12 or know of an organic variety?
     
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  2. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    Garden of Life makes an organic B-12 (Garden of Life Kind Organics B-12). I have not tried it.
     
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  3. Plum

    Plum Senior Member

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    Thanks for the info - really helpful!
     
  4. Tammy

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    You might look into Global healing liquid B-12............the guy who sells it is very particular......but don't know if its what you are looking for
     
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  6. GoodVibesOnly

    GoodVibesOnly

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    You can get pure Methylcobalamin from Oxford Biosciences.

    It comes in 20 mg powdered form which you then mix with 10 ml of Saline. I draw this up in 1ml Insulin syringes and inject Subcutaneously. Oxford Biosciences are recommended by the Pernicious Anaemia society of GB (UK).

    http://oxfordbiosciences.com/vitamin-b12/
     
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  7. Plum

    Plum Senior Member

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    Methylcobalamin isn't recommended for most with methylation issues. Also I would be surprised if from GMO free sources but thanks for the suggestion. You can get injection B12 that's not too expensive on private prescription.
     
  8. GoodVibesOnly

    GoodVibesOnly

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    How would I go about getting the MB12 on private prescription? I like the idea of self mixing as I know I am only adding saline and also for freshness.
     
  9. Plum

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    You need to see a private Dr! If you had your 23andme done, there's a host of free info about best forms of B12 to use etc available which really helps. A lot of us are sensitive to additional methyl groups. The issues I was trying to raise in this post is that most if not all B12 is manufactured using genetically modified ingredients as well as genetically modified organisms to produce the B12. I personally prefer to steer clear of GMO which is almost impossible with supplements but there are a few options available after A LOT of research.
     
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  10. GoodVibesOnly

    GoodVibesOnly

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    Thanks so much @Plum - I think I will get the 23andMe. If anything it will tell me what type of B12 I can use. I'll also look into the private Dr thing.
     
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  11. Tammy

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    What form are you looking for?
     
  12. Plum

    Plum Senior Member

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    @Tammy I'm going for hydroxy. Yasko's seems the best I can find.
     
  13. Valentijn

    Valentijn WE ARE KINA

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    @Plum, what free info are you referring to? I've gotten my 23andMe reports but interpreting them is confusing. I have determined by trial and error that I need huge doses of adenosylB12 and methylB12, but I would rather have some clear roadmap that says "if you have X and Y SNPS you need Z." I haven't seen that anywhere.
     
  15. GoodVibesOnly

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  16. Plum

    Plum Senior Member

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    You can put your data through these:

    http://geneticgenie.org/

    https://www.knowyourgenetics.com/

    livewello is another good 1 but you have to pay for it and then do work yourself. It all depends on what you're after. If it's basic methylation, I think Yasko gives good free advice on your data.
     
  17. garyfritz

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    Thanks, I had forgotten about KYG. GG deciphers the 23andme gibberish, but doesn't give you any "so what do I do about it" advice. I'll look through the KYG results again.
     
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