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B12 = dark urine and retention/low output - SOLVED!

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by kday, May 13, 2012.

  1. kday

    kday Senior Member

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    I have had this symptom for a long time. It wasn't painful, it was just painfully obvious that something was very wrong.

    I got my wisdom teeth out a couple weeks ago and was prescribed the antibiotic Keflex. I felt like crap on it all 10 days, and I really wanted to stop it after a couple days, but I continued because I noticed that it seemed to be taking care of my "non-infectious" urine issues. I had dark, cloudy, frothy urine, and it would intensify when taking B12. But oddly, when these symptoms intensified, I actually felt better. Well, I've been on many other antibiotics that didn't do a thing. They wouldn't prescribe an antibiotic or even culture my urine since tests came back negative for bacteria no matter how many doctors and specialists I argued with. Sure, they thought my urine was weird and tested me for all sorts of things that can cause dark urine (liver viruses, porphyria, hemolysis, etc). I had many other tests and ultrasounds too.

    Well, the news is, this was infectious, and whatever the infection is is the reason why when I took B12 I couldn't pee. When I read what the antibiotic is used for, it sounds to me like I may have had bacterial cystitis from Strep B.

    Now this is what I need help with:

    Since getting rid of that infection, I now have an increased need for B12 as well as more neuroinflammation. I go from wired/anxious/panic to deep sleep. I cycle back and forth. I am on doxycycline and have been for a long time. Before, I got to a point where I only needed about 2500 mcg B12 once every few weeks. Now I need 25,000 mcg each day again. I take Jarrow sublingual tablets. This dose is helpful, but low doses don't touch the neuro symptoms.

    So, I guess you can say I am in a relapse. Symptoms increased since taking a large dose of activated charcoal one night that made me feel toxic when I woke up at 4 AM. Yes, activated charcoal can make me toxic. It's done it several times before. I don't know what causes it, but my guess is that there is a neurotoxin or mycotoxin that it doesn't bind to very well as the sound and vibrations of my gallbladder is what wakes me up early AM after getting toxic from activated charcoal. Of course, this is just my intuitive guess, but I can't think of another reason why this happens. It makes me feel very toxic for days. Bentonite clay and other binders don't do this.

    I really think I need to bind biotoxins out of my body, as methylation/glutathione doesn't seem to touch whatever these are. But I am now afraid of making things even worse.
     
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    kday Senior Member

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    Also, the antibiotic Keflex caused a lot of brain inflammation and severe head pain as well. The first several days were the worst as I woke up hot and sweating the first few nights like a herx that I have experienced many times before on other things.

    This antibiotic is used for PANDAS as well. But at 26, I guess I am too old for such an illness?
     
  3. Enid

    Enid Senior Member

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    Very interesting and helpful kday - I've had similar periods of dark urine (and dark stools) which no GP testing resolved. Like you I had to have teeth (roots) extracted thought infected and was put on a course of highdose Amoxcillan. It did wonders for my bladder and GI problems and I can only asume there was bacterial infection somewhere in those areas running riot. Glad to hear antibiotics are aiding you. Presumably with bladder retention (not clearing fully) there is fertile ground for bugs.
     
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    SickOfSickness Senior Member

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    It could have to do with amalgam fillings if you have any? Apparently if you have fillings you can't use some of these detox supplements and herbs.
     
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    Enid Senior Member

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    Definately not amalgam fillings SOC - only roots left from teeth with fillings which had fallen out a long time previously.
     
  6. Freddd

    Freddd Senior Member

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    Hi Kday,

    The mb12 works better, a lot better, with enough Metafolin which deos help in retention of b12 so it doesn't come out in the urine do fast. Glutathione and NAC make the B12 pour out in the urine. Other cofactors help the b12 work better. Adb12 and l-carnitne fumarateis needded for neurological healing. Omega3 oils, 2000mg of active components, is suggested by research, is needed for neurological healing. Also, zinc and all the rest. Glutathione will damage your nervous system just as you describe. It makes sure that no amount of mb12 or Metafolin is effective and prevents all healing.

    from wired/anxious/panic to deep sleep

    I would suggest that you start the adb12 at a crumb and titrate. If that goes up pretty smoothly, then the l-carnintin fumarate can be started. It too needs to be started at literally a single crumb out of the capsule in case you have hyper sensitivity which the above would suggest.
     

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