Hi Klutzo, I'd be asleep permanently with what I wrote That's kind of what I thought, very permanently. I do see a difference now that you point it out. I was quite totally disabled and waiting to die (as the song goes) when I started the mb12 and If I was a different kind of zombi for a few days or weeks it made no difference. I fell asleep when I blinked but couldn't get a good night's sleep. I had lost my last contract for various reasons and so figuring this business out was the whole of what I was doing. I couldn't even manage to cook for the family as I had done for decades. I had some clumsy accidents with knives and didn't use anything bigger than a paring knife at that point. I'm back to using my French Chef's knife without accidents now.