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Australian government extending age for "crackdown" on DSP recipients

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Sean, Oct 27, 2014.

  1. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    I didn't believe for a second that they were going to leave the older recipients alone. It was always just spin to get the door open for a comprehensive assault on the whole system.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...in-dsp-crackdown/story-fn59niix-1227102958094

     
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    “Under the existing legislation we are able to seek to activate people that are under 35, but hypothetically that could go to 40 or 45,…"

    "activate people" .
    What on Earth does that mean?
     
  3. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    They are trying to cultivate the view that the only (or main) thing that keeps people on welfare is being on welfare in the first place. Phrases like 'condemned to a lifetime of welfare' are being bandied about, as if no government ever before them has made any attempt to 'encourage' people back to work.

    Doesn't matter that we already have one the tightest and most effectively targeted social support systems in the world. This is a fact-free, ideology soaked government.

    Reminds me of a Groucho Marx line: These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.
     
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    Sigh, almost on cue. How long till the next election?
     
  5. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    For years folk thought I was nuts telling them the evils of 70 years ago were coming back...as so often, I was right :/

    And Alex, it may not start or end as the Third Reich, but it will go down into bestial evil unless stopped, it is totally inevitable when you dehumanize folk like this.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/24/iain-duncan-smith-disabled-ms-parkinsons-dwp

     
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  6. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    Behavioural activation. It's a dumbed down version of the already unfathomably dumb CBT:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_activation
     
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  7. chipmunk1

    chipmunk1 Senior Member

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    I did not know this. Another nuttery that i need to add to my vocabulary.

    The ideas are probably based on this research:

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    It's probably highly effective for avian somatisation disorders.
     
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    This is what I was telling people would happen but so any older ones didnt believe it. The government never would target all disabled in a big hit as there would be too many outraged, so they are picking them off group by group.. starting from the most vulnerable group, the youngest disabled.

    Those of us who just get this on the grounds of ME/CFS are already often faced with stigmatism.. its going to be a real nightmare. We are going to end up being like the England situation if this keeps going on.

    **sighs** at least I okay I guess with this for I cant even leave my house without a support worker **sighs** thou if they are really bad they could try to say we can work from home. They also could decide that all of us who have ME/CFS just need some GET and CBT (which is a possibility.. I got knocked back on that ground when I first applied for a disability pension!)
     
  9. taniaaust1

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    By activate.. they mean they believe that most of us on disability can work. Just like what happened in England. I think they tried saying that 2/3 people on disability pension should be working.

    Here in Australia a disability pension is VERY HARD to get in the first place for most things so most are quite sick. Thou there are some who dont do the right thing but one will get that amongst ANY group. (Over the years, Ive known well 3 on disability who from what I see of their lives could work). I doubt that even a fourth of those on disability could be working (let alone work enough hours to live off of).
     
  10. Snow Leopard

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    I think you meant to say, the ideas were generated by this procedure: *image here*
     
  11. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I find it really insulting to hear phrases like this. I heard yet again on the radio this week about disabled people being 'written off' as though we do not have minds of our own but all accept the fate that governments and other authorities bestow upon us.

    When you read the stories of people's battles to get the money they need to feed themselves, keep a roof over their heads and heat their homes, it is blindingly obvious that they know what they need and go all-out to try to get it. If they are able to work - or more accurately - if there are employers willing to employ them - they strive to get work.

    So the governments are trying to tell people who may have spent years studying hard and getting good qualifications that they did so in order to live in poverty, out of work, scorned by society, rather than get fulfilling, well-paid work in their area of interest?

    How DARE they?

    There is no angry emoticon up to the task of portraying the volcano that could represent my outrage.

    Have to try not to think about it.
     
  12. Snow Leopard

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    I too am sick of the LNP bullshit, they don't give a shit about people with disabilities. They have NO PLAN to provide increased employment opportunities for those with disabilities. Nothing, nada, zilch. All stick and no carrot.

    Here is what such a plan would start to look like, if they had one:
    http://www.pwd.org.au/pwda-publications/get-real-on-jobs2.html
     
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    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    Here is a funny one:
    http://graemeinnes.com/2014/10/22/hey-tony-i-want-to-play-for-team-australia/

    :rofl:

    It is actually a good suggestion, because it means all their policy will have input from at least one-pwd-per-politician, which they will have to personally justify.
     
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  14. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    Way I see it is if we move in the direction of a grrens/labor model than we will have a very socialist health system like the UK and cfsme people will be forced into psych treatments etc by all the do gooders or just left alone as cfsme isn't a recognized condition, just a bunch of mental health nuts.

    I guess at the moment we have the choice of seeing which ever gp we want so we can get some type of help, if u find the right doctor.

    I know a lot of aussies are anti a USA style health system but at least there are doctors there trying to move the illness forward and unlike the aussie gvt trying to control and restrict treatments and testing.

    I feel a capitalist health system can move treatments forward and are motivated tohelp. A socialist style system will just breed more wessely ttypes.

    We need something in between where everyone gets care but a private sector motivated to find answers. hopefully that filter down into the health system.

    A socialist style health system wouldn't allow the sort of research going on a Griffith, which was started at bond uni, a private uni with private donations and some govt backing.

    Our choices are limited, but I can't see how the previous gvt would be better. It's a yin and yang system, one govt spends money like a drunken soldier and the other is as tight as a fishes arse. Either situation want last long.

    legitimacy of cfsme I think is our biggest obstacle.
     
  15. A.B.

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    Doesn't Wessely exist because of private health insurance?
     
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  16. Wildcat

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    UK’s Professor Mansel Aylward exporting UNUM insurance company ideology ‘work for health’ to Australia in 2010.


    REALISING THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF WORK
    www.racp.edu.au/index.cfm?objectid=58C41516-C2D1-1FF1...


    REALISING THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF WORK

    A POSITION STATEMENT

    Professor Sir Mansel Aylward CB
    Director: Centre for Psychosocial and Disability Research,
    Cardiff University and Chair: Public Health Wales



    Making the distinction: definitions and usage

    Disease: objective, medically diagnosed, Pathology

    Impairment: significant, demonstrable, deviation or loss of structure or function

    Illness: subjective feeling of being unwell (internal)

    Sickness: social status accorded to the ill person by society (external)



    Fundamental Precepts:
    • Main determinants of health and illness depend more upon lifestyle, socio-cultural environment and psychological (personal) factors than they do on biological status and conventional healthcare.1

    • Work: most effective means to improve well-being of individuals, their families and their communities.2

    • Objective: rigorously tackling an individual’s obstacles to a life in work.

    1. Marmot M. Status Syndrome, Bloomsbury, London: 2004
    2. Waddell G, Burton K. Is work good for your health and well-being? TSO, London: 2006

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  17. Bob

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    In the UK, government ministers refer to the reduction of welfare benefits payments as "having to make difficult decisions."
    I find this very irritating... Difficult for whom, I wonder?
    Ministers earn upwards of £100,000, so their "difficult decisions" don't really affect them.
    So, yes, it's "difficult" for the welfare recipients to have their payments reduced, but I can't see how it's difficult for the decision makers!
     
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    I think if a socialist system was funded properly the researchers would be plenty motivated. The researchers aren't the ones motivated by $$, the investors are, because they are the ones who get the $$. The researchers are motivated by the puzzle, a functioning lab, and helping people. They should make an upper middle class income, but I don't know a researcher who cares much about money beyond that.
     
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    We lose in both cases, but government run systems are more susceptible to reform when it comes to social inclusion etc.

    Unfortunately Australians as a whole seem to lack leadership and be allergic to change that may benefit people other than themselves.
     
  20. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    With respect, that is a naive, simplistic, and anachronistic understanding of these matters.

    You think the sick and disabled will get a better deal from our current radical right government than the previous centrist one?

    Care to point out which of this current government's policies work in our favour?
     
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