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At this point, how likely do you think it is that HMRVs are the cause of CFS/ME?

Discussion in 'Media, Interviews, Blogs, Talks, Events about XMRV' started by Esther12, Sep 28, 2011.

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At this point, how likely do you think it is that HMRVs are the cause of CFS/ME?

  1. 70-100%

    29 vote(s)
    42.0%
  2. 40-69%

    6 vote(s)
    8.7%
  3. 10-39%

    12 vote(s)
    17.4%
  4. 2-9%

    8 vote(s)
    11.6%
  5. 0-1%

    14 vote(s)
    20.3%
  1. GaryK

    GaryK

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    Hi Daffodil, I couldnt agree with you more:) Retro virus fits!

    Also when we think of a genetic factor as being a causasion, retro virus can be encoded to our genes (HERVS):D
     
  2. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

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    Scientists can construct viruses in the lab that perform perfectly well and they can tweak existing viruses to change how they function. So long as VP62 can actively pump out infectious viruses I don't see how it matters.

    Dr. Mikovits was able to use techniques of her choosing - the same techniques she used at the WPI and ended up asserting that half the healthy controls had XMRV! You could say that unfavorable factor influenced her ability to find XMRV but those had nothing to do with her and Dr. Ruscetti's finding XMRV in a host of people who couldn't possible have it - if their original study was correct.
     
  3. Bob

    Bob

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    But VP62 does not exist in nature, as far as we are now told. As far as we know, it is purely an artificial construct of Silverman's making.

    Yes, Coffin says he found VP62 in the 22RV1 cell line, but it would be rather a coincidence if his virus is actually identical to VP62 which was invented in a lab by Silverman.

    And I don't think that Coffin fully sequenced it (or did he?), in which case it's likely that he did not detect VP62, but detected something similar.

    But there do seem to be more questions than answers.


    Yes, I have read the BWG study now, and my opinions have changed drastically... I tend to agree with you on this point.
     
  4. kurt

    kurt Senior Member

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    How can you be so sure? Mikovits to my knowledge did not claim to have proven that she saw XMRV budding out of cells. What she saw was never sequenced, but since its size matched a gamma size particle, she predicted it might be XMRV. There has been no proof of that and in fact there are thousands of viruses out there so how can you be certain it was XMRV? In fact, many HERVs can be that same size, and her procedure just might have induced HERV expression. Or there might be some other explanation, such as contamination of her experiment.
     
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