>>> Cort "If this is too open ended for you then that's the way it is. MS is in an entirely different category - it has biomarkers, a recognized locus of central trauma.... CFS, on the other hand, has diagnostic criteria that allow many different types of people to be diagnosed with it." Not true cort, your ignorance is astonishing. MS is diagnosed by a set of criteria that is not specific at all, many people with Lyme, with Huges Syndrome and other disorders routinely get diagnosed incorrectly as having MS. The trauma in MS is only clearly detectable on autopsy, it looks identical to stroke plaques. But again the few autopsy studies in ME patients also clearly show trauma - its just that the evidence is ignored. Similarly ME does have equally specific markers, these have been well described for over 40 years. Indeed The John Richardson research group identified very specific tests. These markes whilst not 100% specific or sensitive are as good as those used for MS!!!!! The difference between ME and MS is a simple one - expensive tests are done on MS patients to identify these markers IN EVERY PATIENT. However with ME we get imbeciles that claim that there are no specific markers, then lump in mental disorder patients with personality disorders, depression, anorexia etc and then write something like you just did. That is NOT the way it is, that is the way WESSELY... and strangely YOU.... are TRYING TO MAKE IT, against thousands of medical papers and 40 years of scientific discovery. I really do not have words for what you wrote!