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Anyone else have hands that itch severely in hot water?

Discussion in 'Skeleton, Skin, Muscles, Hair, Teeth, and Nails' started by rosie26, Nov 19, 2016.

  1. rosie26

    rosie26 Senior Member

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    Over the last three years my hands have become worse than they have ever been. Cracked skin and even weird peeling. Dash, as I am writing this I forgot to mention my hands to the dermatologist last week at the hospital. I have my first and hopefully last skin cancer which has appeared on top of my shoulder. I completely forgot about my hands while he was doing a full body skin check. I will have to remember to mention it at my next appointment.

    Back to the hands...when they are flaring, and cracked, as soon as I put them in hot water (doing dishes, showering) they sear with itching. It's so intense. Would this be the nerves reacting? The itching is as intense as the itch you get with thrush but it can't be thrush, my hands are well aired, washed and dried often.

    Anyone else get the severe itch in hot water.
     
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    I get this before and during outbreaks of pompholyx eczema. Also on my feet. The only non-pharmaceutical thing that I have found to help with the pompholyx is to put apple cider vinegar on the areas that are affected.

    It doesn't stop it from happening but it helps to prevent it from becoming the nasty mess I first got into when I had my first ever outbreak of pompholyx about 18 months ago. Had never had eczema in my life until then- aged 52!
     
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  3. Humanrights

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    It seem more like infection.
    There's different causes for dermatitis.
    Like it can be hormone and infection.

    Not enough hormone.. on the inside.

    Detergent is oestrogen based.
    Just because your using hot water it does not mean it's just that.
    Not enough oestrogen in the body and you get dermatitis from detergent.

    Maybe change to cleansing milk and baby wipes. And only have a shower once a week try no soap or detergent.

    Your skin changes as you get older.
     
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    Hopefully your doctor/dermatologist can give you advice. I know that itch! It would drive you crazy. I have atopic eczema since infancy and contact dermatitis and use rubber gloves (the cotton lined ones) for both dishwashing and hairwashing (yep, sounds crazy, works). Otherwise I would be in the same boat.

    Hot water is drying but dish soap, shampoo, any kind of soap will all irritate your skin if you have something like contact dermatitis, any kind of dermatitis/eczema or even just extremely dry skin - my understanding is that it is likely these causing the searing itch rather than the hot water.

    Using soap alternatives rather than regular soap and using really simple, fragrance-free moisturisers can help. Rubber gloves need to be cotton-lined, or wear a cotton glove underneath the rubber glove, as if your hands are really bad, they may react to the rubber as well.

    If the issue is contact dermatitis, these could be worth a look
    http://patient.info/health/contact-dermatitis
    http://www.bad.org.uk/shared/get-file.ashx?id=191&itemtype=document

    Do ask your doctor, to make sure you're treating the right thing the right way. Good luck!
     
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    @Mels. Interesting to hear that you find vinegar helpful because I have been experimenting with malt vinegar for the last few months and I felt sure it was helping to calm things down. I've been soaking my hands in a bowl of half water/vinegar for 3-4 minutes. Good to hear it helps you too as it confirms the thoughts I have had about it.
     
  6. rosie26

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    I'm pretty sure hormones are involved because my hands got far worse after menopause.

    I'm taking 1/2 (half) mg oestrogen daily but it hasn't helped my hands much, so something still is missing. I trialed 1mg before that but that had me breaking out in pimples. I do know of a very good menopause specialist in my city but she is very expensive. Really need to try and get to see her next year somehow.

    Btw; I see you have not long joined PR. Welcome @Humanrights :)
     
  7. rosie26

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    Sounds like you have yours under better control @KME. It is a diabolical itch. And the more you itch the more intense it gets. I succumbed to the itching this morning in the shower and my hands are really flared up now. So will have to get the vinegar out. Thanks for your thoughts and the links.
     
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    Onion or garlic there's a stronger garlic
    can't remember.

    This is estragen based. And antiseptic.

    Maybe take that internally.
    There must be other herbs?
     
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    organic apple cider vinegar (with 'the mother') is best. If any of you are using steroid creams please check out ITSAN
    http://forum.itsan.org/index.php?action=forum

    edit: also thoroughly recommend unlined vinyl washing up gloves (buy mine thro Amazon from Lakeland). Each pair has lasted a year.
     
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    Your spot on with those good foods. Garlic and onions do feel beneficial for me whenever I consume them. I have heard of a garlic called elephant garlic, maybe a nickname. My brother grows them. It is a larger garlic and obviously because of that it's called elephant. Not sure if it's also the strongest in taste. I will try and find out some more info. I try to use garlic when I am really unwell and feel weak immune-wise.

    I've never been a huge user of herbs. Mainly the more common herbs, parsley, chives, mint. I should try others in small amounts. It's strange, the last few years I have felt immune suppression, where before that I felt predominately ....... (I am so tired, big morning, I can't think of the name of the opposite. I'll have to come back when I think of it). But I still don't want to over boost my immune system. I am a bit confused to how things have changed for me the last four years. Something different has been going on with my immune system, it feels like it has weakened.

    Do you take any herbs and have you found any helpful?
     
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    Thanks @slysaint. I remember you posting about the forum "Itsan" awhile back. I'll take another look to refresh my memory.

    I should try apple cider vinegar again. I think I drank too much the last time I tried it and my stomach didn't like the amount. I'll remember to try the "mother" one. I'm pretty sure that was the one I did try though. Do you take it yourself?

    Is this the glove you meant?
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/155-6363176-4115035?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=unlined vinyl gloves lakeland
     
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    The ACV I meant using it topically (as opposed to drinking it), diluted. (although I also have drunk it in the past and regularly use it on salads!
    Gloves: Yes the lilac coloured ones, although I'm in the UK and they are not as expensive; 3 pairs for about £10 incl p&p.
     
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  14. Humanrights

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    Rosie 26

    I try various things.
    I have Lyme it's a consultant battle of changing what you take.
    Something might help then it does not.
    I stopped taking Q10.
    And now I am calling the paramedic out with palpitation.
    My hearts slowed up.
    They and the docs try to make out its all in your head.
    They have never heard of Lyme..:devil:
    They certainly don't approve.
    I thought I had a TiA over the weekend.
    As the local A&E are so horrible to me I just took aspirin and staded at home.
    I should be on IV antibiotics.
    The NHS don't want to know.
    They think it rare as nats teeth and you are mental.
     
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    Sorry your going through so much @Humanrights I hope they treated you better at A&E yesterday?

    I had one experience of rough treatment at A&E when I had lung pain last year.
    They put me in an examination room with a trolley bed that was so uncomfortable.
    I wondered whether they thought I was after strong painkillers as if I was someone with an addiction.
    I very ill and could barely walk.

    Then earlier this year I was in A&E to do with my heart and they were all over me... they couldn't do enough for me.
    As soon as I arrived at A&E (had caught the bus there) they had me in a bed in under 10 minutes and doctor arrived another 5-10 minutes later.
    Whereas with my lung situation last year I had called the ambulance and got treated uncomfortably when at A&E.
    And I was so much more sicker and needed care then.

    I've had some scary moments where my heart slowed and a few times it was because of a new tablet.
    Some types of painkillers do this to me.
    I have something other than my ME going on (although I think my ME has contributed to it) and I have no idea yet what is involved.
    I have lots of discomfort between top of ribs and belly button.
    Feels like I have a mass inside, somewhere there.
    Ultrasound showed nothing.

    I nearly tried COq10 but felt it was too risky with my heart the way it is.
    A friend of mine with ME had the exact same experience I had taking d ribose and when he tried COq10 a month later he had to stop it very quickly because of an unpleasant affect that it had on his heart.
    So, I think he and I are similar and I'm not going to try COq10.

    I don't know if this would work for you but it has helped me in the past and when my heart has slowed down and I have felt nauseous and weak.
    I bring about a 'shiver', it seems to help shift me up a level, out of the scary stuff sometimes. As an at home emergency measure.
    As I say, I don't know if it could help your situation though.
     
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    Rosei
    You might have to sort this one out.,

    I am working in a IPhone.

    Yes I did have problems with CoQ10
    If you have a clot it could disloge it. Cause the first time I took it something like that happened.
    It was a dreadful thing it was like slurry going round my veins.

    I did call the ambulance.

    Now they have me in their sights
    I don't think they really know what these ECG's mean.

    I get some idiot tell me I am not experiencing chest pain.
    Or irregular heart beat.

    They try to make out its normal.
    Then get me out of the hospital.
    I stayed at home even though I called the ambulance 3 times.

    I just took aspirin.

    Plenty of it.

    One of the out of hours GP said I should of been on blood thinners since I had a stroke pre 2012. But my GP took no notice.
    They just said it was old.
    I think that I bleed there and problaly had had a stroke over the last few days.
    They can't really tell with TIA's.
    The blood was sticking all over my heart really slowed up.
    As if I could imagine it:balloons:

    Now I have just found this link hope I can put it on here is very important.

    The Lyme disease tests we had done abroad have been excepted.

    I will try and open it as a main topic. Else where.

    [​IMG]


    Sent from my iPhone
     
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    I grow elephant garlic (this is great as it doesnt require me to look after it). Elephant garlic is mild in taste compared to other garlic (so maybe its medicinal properties may not be as strong).
     
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    Chilblains photo (not of my hands but just one i got from online)

    http://www.epodiatry.com/chilblains.htm


    Chilblains picture 1.PNG
    Chiblaines?. I had intense itching after putting body parts which had Chilblains into hot water. When I had very severe chilblains my skin not only was flaring and red but also cracked.

    [
     
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