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Any way of taking Kefir and NOT provoking a histamine reaction?

Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by Bansaw, Aug 21, 2016.

  1. Bansaw

    Bansaw Senior Member

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    I seem to gravitate back to raw milk kefir because I am convinced its good for me, and I know I need good bacteria since I've a history of heavy antibiotic use.

    Anyway, I am also quite sure that I get a histamine reaction. I tested it today. I was feeling "good" and then I drank a glass of kefir and then I felt bad 40 mins later (achy, tired etc).
    I think I got a histamine reaction. I mean I drank a lot to exaggerate it but....

    My question is, I wonder if I could take kefir in a capsule or some other way to cut down on that reaction. Or maybe simply not drink so much of it (maybe a couple of teaspoons per meal, or putting it in a capsule, or drying it...etc.)

    I know there are histamine friendly probiotics but honestly I'm not convinced they are helping enough to warrant $30 a month shelling out and convinced that there are helping so much. With Kefir I know. 4 yrs ago a doctor took a stool sample when I was doing kefir and was really impressed with the bacteria. But I was getting those histamine reactions now I know.
     
  2. Dmitri

    Dmitri Senior Member

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    Are you sure it's histamine and not the acid? I can't have kefir or yogurt without getting burns on my tongue and esophagus.
     
  3. Bansaw

    Bansaw Senior Member

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    I think so. The symptoms are tiredness, achiness, not burning or acid reflux.
     
  4. Timaca

    Timaca Senior Member

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    When I tried kefir I took 1 tablespoon a day. Then 2 tablespoons. You might try cutting WAY back on the amount you are taking.....

    Eventually though, I did switch to probiotics because I was having intestinal issues. I found that Jarrow Brand Ideal Bowel Support helped me a lot and didn't give me histamine issues. I was still having some problems so I added in the Jarro Dolphilus for babies (1/4 tsp). I have also done fine with that. Recently, I added in the FemDolphilus. That one has been amazing in that it has helped clear my brain up, and given me more of a feeling of wellness. So far (less than 1 week taking it)...no histamine issues. They have all helped me so I am currently taking all of them. Certainly kefir is less expensive but it hasn't helped me like these 3 probiotics have....

    Best,
     
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  5. Gingergrrl

    Gingergrrl Senior Member

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    I can't have anything fermented or pickled b/c of histamine and MCAS so yogurt and kefir are out for me. Even though I can eat a LOT more foods now, I still do not tolerate anything in this group. But I am not sure how you would know if tiredness or achiness is a histamine reaction vs. due to something else?
     
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  6. Cheesus

    Cheesus Senior Member

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    The best way to balance the gut is with food - especaially prebiotics. Fermented foods do not actually repopulate the gut as any influence they have is likely transitory.

    I don't think there is any way around the histamine reaction, I'm sorry. Histamine is simply a byproduct of fermentation and once it's in there it's in there. Not much you can do about it.
     
  7. Bansaw

    Bansaw Senior Member

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    Actually kefir is powerful enough to eventually repopulate the gut.
     
  8. Cheesus

    Cheesus Senior Member

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    Is there evidence of that?
     
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    invisiblejungle Senior Member

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    Maybe you could try DAOsin? It's the enzyme that breaks down histamine in food.
     
  10. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Senior Member

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    Kefir does repopulate the gut that is why it is superior to yogurt.
     

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