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Antiretrovirals?

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Sparrowhawk, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Sparrowhawk

    Sparrowhawk Senior Member

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    Good question, I know at least one HIV+ person who got to zero virus detected on antivirals but he still takes them, so I have to assume that you put your finger on the issue. It's not a cure it is a mitigating therapy?
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    You may have a mistaken idea of how antibiotics work as well. Most of the time they don't kill all the relevant bacteria. What happens is that they kill large numbers, and the fragments of these end up in lymph nodes, where the immune system decides which ones are responsible for the problem. This works pretty well when you are dealing with rapidly replicating bacteria in the bloodstream. The immune response is directed toward the unusual bacteria killed by the antibiotic. If the patient's immune system is weakened, antibiotic treatment can fail. Raising the dose to the point it completely wipes out all bacteria is likely to kill the patient.

    When talking about viruses you have another problem: viruses (virions) are not living in the first place. They have no metabolism of their own. Many can be crystallized and stored like salt. A viral infection is a process, not a thing. (The logical error of confusing processes or abstractions with things is called reification.) All you can hope to do is interrupt a pathological process and allow a more useful healing process to succeed. If you don't have processes constantly restoring you to health you are dead. The difference between processes and things is the difference between the quick and the dead.
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    Sparrowhawk Senior Member

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    That's all new information to me, thanks again for such clarity.

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