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Another Medical Kidnapping

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by leela, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. SOC

    SOC Senior Member

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    Wow. I thought they couldn't involuntarily commit you in the US unless you're an immediate danger to yourself or others.
     
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  2. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

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    I was thinking about the abuse angle. If it was abuse for part of the father, wouldn't they remove ALL children from house hold?
     
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  3. Ema

    Ema Senior Member

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    When is the judge ruling?

    My FB friends say no one is answering anymore...
     
  4. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    remember they are on EST.
     
  5. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    Unless you are a minor and they remove you from the custody of the people who would legally have to agree to it.
     
  6. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    The sister may be 18 or older, in which case they have no so-called jurisdiction.
     
  7. Ema

    Ema Senior Member

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    I just wondered if there is any point to calling tomorrow too or if it is done today?
     
  8. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    My sense is, you can call a public office and leave a message about anything any time you like.
    It's your right as a citizen, I believe.

    I say, call away.
     
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    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    A couple of updates/articles...

    Justina's father is brought up on charges for violating the gag order: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/lou-pelletier-contempt/

    Justina's mother collapses during the court hearing where Justina was being sent to a non-medical facility: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/sick-connecticut-teen-justina-pelletier-foster-care/story?id=22668251

    The facility Justina was to be sent to is now backing out and the judge may be reconsidering: http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/

    Huffington Post is carrying the story : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristy-balcells/first-do-no-harm-how-we-f_b_4843997.html

    Hopefully, this will let Children's Hospital, the judge, and the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families (DCF) know patients and families are watching this closely.

    The Massachusetts DCF is already under major scrutiny after another child "under their supervision" has vanished and is presumed dead: http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story/Mass-DCF-being-audited/Myr2R004EE6cp3_GdMMNTw.cspx
     
  11. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    UK dept of health does not remotely dispute the existence of mitochondrial disease:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26367220

    I feel like sending this to the judge.

    ETA: It's interesting to note in the photo in the sidebar the similar "look" the son with mito disease has to Justina.
     
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    leela Slow But Hopeful

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  13. Dreambirdie

    Dreambirdie work in progress

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    It's not over til it's over.

    "Justina’s father, Lou Pelletier, reached by phone Friday morning as he was driving to the family’s weekly visit with Justina, said, “Obviously this is a step in the right direction.”

    He added, however, that he is only cautiously optimistic. He has many memories of Massachusetts officials getting his hopes up for positive changes, only to have something happen that sabotages the plans, he said. The father has previously said that he and his wife would accept some kind of oversight by the Connecticut child-protection agency if that were a condition of getting Justina back to their home state."

    (quoted from leela's posted article above)
     
  14. Ren

    Ren Primum Non Nocere

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    I haven't listened to / read Beck, and so can't comment on him. I do believe the Tea Party has been purposely and falsely vilified in the media, in some regards.

    I try to read / follow a range of news - and it seems that individuals who identify as Tea Party, Libertarian, and what I would term US far-left (or left of mainstream left) sometimes share the exact same views on a particular story and it might even be something the mainstream media has ignored. I don't agree with everything any of these groups say, but I appreciate that they often say things that others ignore.

    I just wanted to say this for my own conscience and because I think it's important to remember that the neuro-immune community represents people with lots of different cultural experiences and views. And I don't want to isolate or discourage any individual or any group who wants to learn about our story - and how we have been / or are being hurt or helped by various policies.
     
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    Maybe they did and the Bonstons ignored them. Ive had my doctors ignored and its still currently happening with my states disability service..they completely ignore all my doctors/specialists phone calls and letters.. and I have THREE different doctors supporting me and they say there is nothing more they can do seeing their phone calls/letters have been ignored. (I guess they could go and put complaints in to somewhere higher up but I think most doctors are reluctant to rock the boat that much or situation just becomes too hard for them. Im got a sigh from my CFS specialist when I asked him to write another letter seeing his first was ignored..thou he still wrote another).

    The thing is if one is a patient in a hospital, that hospital doctors do not have to listen at all to your other doctors and I think this is what has probably happened in Justinas case. Article says Tufts has been trying to advocate for Justina.
     
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  16. taniaaust1

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    Can anyone tell me what I need to put in front of that number to ring there from Australia?
     
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    Anyone they deem "psychotic" or delusional or having hallunications about anything..they can deem a danger to oneself and commit (pity thou some of those people arent psychotic after all and its just the drs closed mind which is the issue). This kind of thing can end up having anyone with severe ME locked up with their illness ignored (more likely to happen if a hospital has beds it wants to fill!!!) Irronically others with severe mental health issues end up being left on the streets.
     
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    I understand your point and realize that it happens in other countries and used to happen here. But more recently we are having the problem of families not being able to get in-patient care for clearly psychotic or hallucinatory patients because the patient is not an immediate danger to the life of themselves or others. To find doctors committing people for thinking they have a reaction to carpeting (as Dreambirdie mentioned above) against their will and that of their family in this decade in the US is surprising.

    Unfortunately, children are another matter since child services gets involved and so-called child abuse rather than "danger to themselves" becomes the primary focus of the psychologizers
     
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    Ren Primum Non Nocere

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    The country code to dial into the US from outside the US is 001. So (I believe) you would dial, for example, 001-617-788-8525 or 001-617-788-8542.

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    And regarding who can be locked away in mental wards, at some point I read a brief bit about the Soviet diagnosis "sluggish schizophrenia" which was used to lock up political dissidents.

    And from this, I read mention as well that in in the US Civil Rights era perhaps that black men (political dissidents) in particular were labeled as schizophrenic and thus held in psych wards. I don't know anything about this though - how widespread, for how long, etc.

    And I don't know the specifics of this either, but as long as homosexuality was labeled a mental illness, individuals in the US were thrown into psych wards for this also.

    If it's now generally more difficult to have someone committed in the US (as SOC wrote), I'm guessing it's part of a pendulum swing reaction to psychiatry's abusive history (as mentioned above, plus forced lobotomies and forced sterilization - in the US).

    On one the Pelletier articles, someone mentioned a Pennsylvania judge who had recently been found guilty of accepting bribes to sentence kids to detention facilities. Can't recall the details now, but Wiki perhaps said that this case was referred to in a Michael Moore film - and in 2014, a documentary on the case is supposed to be released.

    I wonder how psychiatrists are involved in sentencing kids to such detention centers. What a nightmare.
     
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