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AIDS Controlled by Natural Remedies in Africa

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Jarod, May 26, 2013.

  1. Jarod

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    AIDS Controlled by Natural Remedies in Africa


    May 26, 2013.


    http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/aids-controlled-by-natural-remedies-in-africa/
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    The article cites two internet blogs as it's sources so it must be true.
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    How does one 'control' all the opportunistic infections that develop with AIDS:

    Cryptoccoccal Menigitis
    HIV-related Encephalopathy
    Progressive Multifocal Leukoencephalopathy (PML)
    Toxoplasmosis
    Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
    Cryptosporidiosis
    Mycobacterium Avium Complex
    Candidiasis
    Herpes Simplex
    Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) and cancerous lesions.
    Liver Disease
    Coccidiomycosis
    Histoplasmosis
    Pneumocystis Carinii
    Recurrent Pneumonia
    Tuberculosis (TB)
    Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma

    Do they 'control' Kaposi's sarcoma

    If her natural remedies 'controls' AIDS, then it would follow they would 'control' the previous opportunistic infections. This is simply not so.

    HIV/AIDS - deaths

    1 South Africa 310,000
    2 Nigeria 220,000
    3 India 170,000
    4 Tanzania 86,000
    5 Zimbabwe 83,000
    6 Kenya 80,000
    7 Mozambique 74,000
    8 Uganda 64,000
    9 Malawi 51,000

    Please consider donating to the Stephen Lewis Foundation - they work tirelessly to help those with HIV and AIDS in Africa.
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    Just because someone posts something you find unbelievable doesn't mean there is not merit to it.

    I've been following a number of physicians who've taken on treating their own nasty diseases when the best of medical care could not help them. . Their success has been largely based on nutrition. You might want to check out Dr. Terry Wahl's TEDx talk on youtube, Dr. Craig Oster and Dr. Alessio Fasano's research.

    A ME/CFS patient (former member of this forum) recently was published in a journal where "bacterial translocation" was cited as a means for autoimmunity in ME/CFS. Food has a huge impact on our immune systems - especially or GI tract.
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  5. Kina

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    Nobody actually said there was no 'merit' to it. I have yet to see a nutritional approach consisting of colon irrigation, colonics, fasting actually controlling AIDS and controlling HIV vs controlling AIDS are two totally different things. If one is to make fantastic claims, then one should be able to back them up with even a bit of research. There are always cases where nutrition may help or does help but for a disease where millions have died, it's obviously not the answer. There is no proof that these things 'control' AIDS. If they did, millions wouldn't be dead. The article makes it seem that there is some kind of miraculous treatment for AIDS, there is not. Maximizing the immune system through diet is always helpful. Most with AIDS would not even be able to tolerate the treatments mentioned. The Stephen Lewis Foundation actually promotes healthy and holistic living as part of what it does.

    I have seen articles where people have had radical improvement via diet and nutrition but if you look at numbers worldwide, it would be the exception rather than the rule. Yes, even with ME/CFS, some have had great success but the majority have not.

    I think articles like this are irresponsible because for one the title is absolutely misleading and then when you dig deeper you read:

    As I stated 'AIDS Controlled by Natural Remedies in Africa' is a totally erroneous and misleading title. And to say that 146 patients in two years have improved clinically means nothing when you think of the millions infected with HIV and millions who have then died of full-blown AIDS. What does 'improved clinically' actually mean in this case? The people in her clinic never had AIDS, they were HIV positive and boosting the immune system would likely be helpful. How can she know that these 146 patients didn't go on to develop full-blown AIDS. It is egregiously irresponsible to make statements that full-blown AIDS will never develop due to her interventions. She can't possibly know this.

    This is just another example of the press being stupid and ill-informed. And generally, these kinds of articles are but one of many making fantastical claims to sell papers. How many other articles like this are there on the internet, yet they never seem to come true.

    I must say I am totally biased when it comes to AIDS in Africa because I help the 'Grandmother's' group (part of the Stephen Lewis Foundation) raise money so that grandmother's in Africa can look after their grandchildren. They are looking after these children because their own children are casualties of AIDS. It's a terrible devastating disease and nutritional treatments are only a small part of the clinical picture.
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    Unless it's backed up with quality evidence, from controlled clinical trials, then the claims are dangerous.
    Just because someone thinks that they've had some success, or claims that they've had some success, it doesn't make it true.
    It's the same with the claims re the Lightning Process and GET as 'cures' or 'treatments' for ME.
    Unless there is quality evidence, from quality controlled trials, then it's dangerous to claim that they cure or treat ME, or that patients 'recover'.
    I'm surprised that we're even having such a discussion on this forum, after everything that we've learnt about the need for high quality evidence.
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    I'm well aware of the snake oil.... I've been fooled before as I suspect most everyone on this forum has. We all want to be well.

    To be honest, I felt the response to Jarod's original post was disrespectful when it appeared he was just posting something they found.

    Regarding Bob's comment: "I'm surprised that we're even having such a discussion on this forum, after everything that we've learnt about the need for high quality evidence.", I think we've all learned.. or if you are not aware, publications have been corrupted by special interest groups where poor research is published and valid research is not.

    From the British Medical Journal article: Let the patient revolution begin
    BMJ 2013; 346 doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.f2614 (Published 14 May 2013)
    Cite this as: BMJ 2013;346:f2614​

    "The preservation of institutional bureaucracies, as well as professional and commercial vested interests, have consistently trumped the interests of patients."

    Given this knowledge and knowledge of the importance of nutrition, I felt Jarod's post did not deserve the sarcastic response.


    I'm moving on. I agree we all need "truth" and valid research. However, not all valid research will ever be published.
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    Ya, slipped up on that one, I saw it went to a website selling something and it didn't register. I picked that up on google news believe it or not.

    Glad the alert cranky ME/CFS readers caught it.:) It's ok, I have my cranky/moody days too.

    Sounds like interesting stomach therapy, but unlikely it will cure aids. I have found lemon juice helpful though. While being overly focused on treating my stomach and dropped the ball.

    These medical issues require so much restraint, I find it difficult compared to my normal problem solving mode.
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    What it is about the southern African region that breeds so many moronic AIDS deniers? Is there something in the environment or culture there that damages the critical faculties? See this AIDS denialism page on Betty Hewitt's website.
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    I cant find the study at present and I cant remember the biomarker - so this will be a useful post...

    Once the HIV Antibodies (not the virus) have been tested for and show positive - there is another biomarker which i forget the name of - c4? t4 - totally forget!!!

    However this is important criteria. The study showed it coukd be positively and significantly elevated via nutrition.

    Another factor seems to be the Thymus. This can decrease in size by upto 90% due to malnutrition.
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    Jarod -- relaying an opinion is not being 'cranky/moody'. :eek:



    I know for a long time that Thabo Mbeki's support of dissident HIV/AIDS scientists had a lot to do with it in South Africa. It's also difficult to verify what goes on in Africa. If Betty Hewitt had such a clinic in the US or Canada, she wouldn't be making the claims she is due to Government rules and regulations. I have come across quite a few people that claim they are having success in Africa with various AIDS treatments but when you look for actual proof, it's absent. There are AIDS deniers all over the world. We have a really vocal one in the city I live in and he wrote a nasty opinion piece in our local newspaper claiming that AIDS is down the poor lifestyle the 'gays lead' (not my words). It's the only time I have ever responded to such ignorant comments with a really scathing response. It's really sad. I guess the way some deny AIDS is akin to the way many deny that ME is a physical illness. Such ignorance from which nothing good can come.
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    If only the Wessely School psychiatrists would realize that they are working out of the same vein of ignorance as the AIDS deniers, then these psychiatrists might have a moment of epiphany, and finally see how much damage their nonsense ideas have caused. The Wessely School have been vociferously denying viral causes of ME/CFS for decades.
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    The part about yoghurt caught my eye because of this paper on CD4 counts and HIV/AIDs

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20463586

    But personally I would tend to side with HIV/AIDs patients and their experiences. We constantly get told that the type of program above will cure our CFS or ME and I've tried most of the things on that list to no avail.

    If I had HIV/AIDS and was in the same position I'd be miffed to see this posted here.
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    The protocol struck me as being part of a solution for supplying much lacking amino acids needed to the body. When the liver is not working or the GI tract is messed up.

    I'm also wondering about this EAAT3 transporter shown on post #37 of THIS glutathione precurser thread. You can see from the Diagram and also the Dr Deth presentation that EAAT3 is what allows Cysteine to exit the Gi tract and enter the astrocytes. Cysteine is needed as an essential precurser for building glutathione.

    The EAAT3 is messed up by moraphine, gluten, and casein according to Dr Deth.

    Since EAAT3 is "excitatory" in nature, and a transporter of glutamate, is this what sets off "excitoxity" when eating the wrong foods or drinking caffine?

    If EAAT3 is constantly inflamed by caffine, casein, gluten, how am I going to get enough cysteine to maintain a high enough glutathione level?


    The study below doesn't mean much too me, and I obviously can't understand the whole thing. But I put it up to help describe the EAAT3.

    The Dr Deth presentation, as shown in that glutathione precurser thread post #36, is where I learned about EAAT3
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    CD4 - I think that was what I was trying to remember. The scientific studies I read were different to the yoghurt one. And focused on all round nutrition.

    But whether M.E. or HIV, what concerns me the most is the truth.

    The main points of why people are not certain Hiv causes AIDS from a scientific, evidence only perspective - as far as i have gathered so far is :

    The hiv virus has never been isolated therefore the 'evidence' is by correlation only. Now the allopathic mantra is usually correlation does not equate to causation.

    Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, like M.E. is nothing to do with a psychiactric disorder and the psychiatrists dont try to claim AIDS and treat it with CBT and false illness belief mentality.

    I dont mind if M.E. turns out to be several factors and not one virus and so I also wouldnt be upset if I had AIDS and the same was applied - if it does turn out to be caused by one virus - I am equally flexible to that.
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    For the record, I didn't find Kina's comments cranky, or sarcastic, but I found them serious and well thought out.
    Because of the politics surrounding HIV/AIDS, it is right to give a robust response when one sees unsubstantiated claims re HIV/AIDS, just as it is with unsubstantiated claims re ME/CFS.
    The politics surrounding HIV/AIDS in South Africa, has been especially problematic over the years.

    BTW, no one is saying that a holistic approach to HIV cannot have health benefits. But that's very different to someone claiming that they have found a cure (or similar) for HIV without rigorous evidence.
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    It was a bad sarcastic joke. I wasn't referring to Kina. I was actually referring to you Bob and Wdb
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    It was a fair comment, I could have phrased my post better, it was somewhat cranky and sarcastic.
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    OK, I see. Sorry if I was a bit cranky. But our comments weren't directed at you, Jarod. They were directed at the original source of information. I know you were just posting information for comment.
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    http://www.pasteur.fr/ip/easysite/p...steur/the-discovery-of-the-aids-virus-in-1983
    The discovery of the AIDS virus in 1983

    http://www.aidstruth.org/story/08-oct-discovery-hiv-recognised-nobel-prize

    The Nobel prize for Physiology or Medicine has been awarded to Luc Montagnier and Francoise Barre-Sinoussi for their work on the isolation of HIV

    http://www.metapathogen.com/HIV-1/

    Human Immunodeficiency Virus is a virus that causes Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS). HIV is in retrovirus family, and two types have been identified: HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-1 is responsible for most HIV infections throughout the world, whereas HIV-2 is found primarily in West Africa.

    • In May 1983, the isolation of new human retrovirus (at the time known as LAV, Lymphoadenopathy Associated Virus) from lymph node of AIDS patient was first reported and published in Science by Françoise Barré-Sinoussi et al. The virus could be propagated on peripheral blood mononuclear cells and on cord blood lymphocytes and its antigen showed no or weak cross reactivity with HTLV-1 proteins, indicating that it was a new human virus
    In 1985, sequencing of the viral genome performed by molecular biologists at the Institut Pasteur, provided the necessary knowledge at the basis of the test to determine the viral load and to monitor resistance to therapy.
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