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Adverse events and deterioration reported by participants in the PACE trial of therapies for CFS

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Tom Kindlon, Apr 26, 2014.

  1. Valentijn

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    So it would seem that they deliberately excluded the category for which there was a statistically significant difference, and substituted it with a closely-related category (barely) lacking a statistically significant difference.

    They do it with no explanation of that omission, no mention of such a switch, and then label it as if it were the same category in which there was a significant difference.
     
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  2. alex3619

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    Switching things is their stock in trade, they do it for definitions of commonly used words a lot.
     
  3. A.B.

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    One could say they are giving CBT to their study results. :D
     
  4. Sean

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    Naughty, bad, uncooperative, delusional, in denial, anti-psychiatry data. A course of CBT for you!
     
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    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    Did you have any nightmares later on? Things can get a little hairy and scary in the ...

    Game of definitions.

     
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  7. alex3619

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    When one patient in a study could be assigned a category of significantly disabled, abnormal function, normal and recovered, on the same data, you know there is a problem. The PACE publications contain the evidence that discredits them.
     
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    So who is the one person who can see intelligently and clearly in this Game of Definitions? Where is our Tyrion? (A Game of Thrones reference.)
     
  9. Dolphin

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    (This was posted on a mailing list I'm on with regard to Dr Miller. The person said I could re-post it. I asked her and she said her comments related to the PACE Trial rather than the GETSET trial)

     
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  10. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    (In case anyone missed it)
    The journalist, David Tuller DrPH, has today posted a substantial piece on the PACE Trial:

    TRIAL BY ERROR: The Troubling Case of the PACE Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Study
    http://www.virology.ws/2015/10/21/trial-by-error-i/

    There's an introduction and summary at the start if you don't want to take on the whole thing.

    It's being discussed in this PR thread:
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...he-pace-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-study.40664/

    ME Network have also posted their own summary piece:
    http://www.meaction.net/2015/10/21/david-tuller-tears-apart-pace-trial/
     
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