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Adrenals and probiotics relation

zzz0r

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Anyone here found that probiotics supplementation could cause his/her adrenals to crash even with histamine degrading bacteria?
 

drob31

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It seems as thought HPA-axis issues must be resolved first before other things can be. Even Chris Kresser believes this.
 

Gondwanaland

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Gondwanaland, I'm getting a bad crash on a probiotic at the moment (customprobiotics d-lactate-free). If it's due to immunostimulation, should it pass with time?
It is more likely due to histamine-lowering effect.
No effects I had from probx were permanent - neither good or bad. The one that lasted longer (about 1 month) was C. butyricum (bad: joint pain, reduced motility, lowered energy) and I took 1 pill 1x or 2x only.
 

outdamnspot

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It is more likely due to histamine-lowering effect.
No effects I had from probx were permanent - neither good or bad. The one that lasted longer (about 1 month) was C. butyricum (bad: joint pain, reduced motility, lowered energy) and I took 1 pill 1x or 2x only.

Did non-histamine-lowering probiotics not induce the same kind of 'crash' in you? Do you have a list of strains which *do* lower histamine? There were a couple of others on my list I was thinking of experimenting with if this one doesn't help, but I'm not sure if they would make me worse too.
 

jepps

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Did non-histamine-lowering probiotics not induce the same kind of 'crash' in you? Do you have a list of strains which *do* lower histamine? There were a couple of others on my list I was thinking of experimenting with if this one doesn't help, but I'm not sure if they would make me worse too.

I´m not Gondwanaland, but this probiotic is with minimal count of histamine and lactate: http://fixyourgut.com/gutpro-recomended-probiotic/ and without prebiotics
 

outdamnspot

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the lists in this thread are helpful
I don't intend taking histamine-lowering strains only again. I do need histamine for getting up in the morning, for good mood and for gut motility.

Hi Gondwana, do you know much about Saccharomyces_boulardii?

According to the wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccharomyces_boulardii), it shouldn't be taken by immunocompromised patients, so do you know if it's safe to trial with CFS?

I took one capsule before bed last night. Interestingly, I got strong acute reactions to probiotics -- I have a lot of very severe anxiety that almost borders on psychosis sometimes (derealization, cognitive inflexibility, irrational fear etc.). When I woke up today, I felt calmer than in a long time and it's like my thinking becomes more normal/flexible again -- I feel like all the excessive adrenaline is being turned down. There is also worsened fatigue etc. but I don't feel 'sick' and inflamed the way I did on the D-Lactate-Free probiotic.

Do you believe it would be safe to keep trialing it?
 

Gondwanaland

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Do you believe it would be safe to keep trialing it?
My only positive experience with it was the 1st time I took it. It felt like it lowered histamines in a good way (pretty much like you described). Subsequent times felt like it lowered histamine too much. So my advice based on that would be to take it once in a blue moon.
 

outdamnspot

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My only positive experience with it was the 1st time I took it. It felt like it lowered histamines in a good way (pretty much like you described). Subsequent times felt like it lowered histamine too much. So my advice based on that would be to take it once in a blue moon.

Yeah, interestingly enough, I got hit by the same low-histamine symptoms today (day#2) -- constipated, and couldn't get out of bed.

Do you find that there's a relationship between histamine and 'adrenal fatigue' for you? i.e. does lowering/raising histamine affect your adrenals?