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A Shot of Truth Calls for a Complete Ban of Mercury-Containing Vaccines.

Discussion in 'Petitions' started by ggingues, Jan 11, 2014.

  1. ggingues

    ggingues $10 gift code at iHerb GAS343 of $40

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    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/letter-to-remove-thimerosal-from-vaccines

    Support letter to stop use of mercury
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    Leading scientists oppose mercury in vaccines and drugs
    From our friends at A Shot of Truth,

    Save U.S. children and the unborn from being injured by another mercury-containing vaccine.

    One simple act will send the message to our government that you no longer will allow citizens; especially pregnant women and children from receiving the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. This mercury-based preservative has now been linked to causing a 773% increase in autism with prenatal exposure and an 1100% increase in spontaneous abortions (miscarriages).

    Go to A Shot of Truth, provide your name and let the world know you want to completely ban mercury in all vaccines.

    On December 17, 2013, a letter was sent to the HHS Secretary, FDA Commissioner, and CDC Director regarding the on-going use of the mercury based preservative thimerosal and the tremendous devastation it can cause. Please view below excerpts from the letter and view the actual letter here.

    George Lucier, Ph.D., one of the co-signers of this letter, is the former Associate Director of the National Toxicology Program responsible for coordinating toxicology research and testing across Federal agencies including CDC, EPA, FDA, NIH, OSHA, CPSC among others. Relevant to vaccines preserved with thimerosal, which contains mercury in the ethyl form, Dr. Lucier has stated in writing:

    Organic mercury is a developmental neurotoxin. There is an immense scientific literature base to support this statement. Ethylmercury, used as a preservative in vaccines, is an organomercurial compound. Logic coupled with public health concerns provide an overwhelming justification that mercury should not be deliberately given to the developing fetus, infants and children as well as adults. It is incomprehensible to us that our public health agencies still permit organic mercury to be part of our vaccine program.


    It is time for this travesty of medical misinformation and public harm to be brought to an end. Other countries such as Denmark, Sweden and the United Kingdom have terminated the use of thimerosal in all of their vaccinations. The United States government should not ignore the wisdom of these other countries or the existing research data.

    GG
     
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    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    alas, that's not the main problem nowadays, it's only used in a few vaccines (well, supposedly, never bet how greedy/wicked/stupid pharma corps can be)
    Instead they replaced it with aluminium which is almost as bad a neurotoxin!
     
  3. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    What about mercury from tuna fish? That would appear to be far more important.

    The form of mercury in vaccines is ethylmercury (aka: thiomersal, or thimerosal) which is not known to bioaccumulate.

    The form of mercury in tuna fish is methylmercury which does bioaccumulate.

    In a vaccine, you get around 10 to 25 mcg of ethylmercury. In a can of tuna, you get around 40 mcg of the methylmercury — and methylmercury is very well absorbed in the gut (95% is absorbed).

    So eating a can of tuna not only gives you a higher dose of mercury than a vaccine injection, but the mercury in tuna is the bioaccumulating kind that stays in your body for long periods.
     
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  4. melamine

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    I don't inject tuna into my veins and would not feed it to babies, whose immune systems are fragile and undeveloped.
     
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    http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs

    >Because governments have an interest in maintaining public health by means of vaccination, many, including the U.S. government, have developed no-fault systems for compensating people who have been adversely affected by certain vaccines. These people, to some degree, have assumed the risk of adverse event on behalf of the society in which they live. Therefore, many governments have adopted the position that it is fair and reasonable to compensate those who are harmed by properly manufactured vaccines.<

    If this statement represents the government's position, it shows that risk to the individual is for the government to decide, and that acknowledgment of that arrangement and free will of consent by the individual to assume that risk for themselves or their children, are denied to whatever extent possible.
     
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  6. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    No, but the methylmercury in any tuna you eat gets into your veins anyway, because methylmercury is very well absorbed in the gut (95% is absorbed).
     
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  7. August59

    August59 Daughters High School Graduation

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    Over the years my conservative estimate would be 100 cans of tuna per every vaccine that I've had. I was born in the 50's and had very few vaccinations. My last one was a tetanus booster in the mid 80's. Doc keeps pushing me to get a pneumococal vaccination though,

    Got plenty of shots of penicillin in the :eek: for recurring tonsillitis!

    Has mercury always been used in vaccines?
     
  8. SilverbladeTE

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    Thimerosal has been used in vaccines since 1930s, iirc, but has been mostly phased out now
    so they replaced it with an aluminium based preservative, which is also a neurotoxin....

    done to save money, make vaccines last longer rather than use more expensive preservatives (iirc there's very few suitable things been tested and that's part of the problem, it's risky expensive testing as well), also why they do the multiple vaccines (to save money)

    In hard to reach areas without refrigeration, the use of such preservatives can be understood, since it maybe necessary and no other choice
    but, that is not the case in the highly regulated, well supplied Western world.
     
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  9. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    The aluminium was always there in vaccines, and in fact this aluminium is not a preservative like mercury, but a vaccine adjuvant. An adjuvant is as an immune stimulant, placed in the vaccine to help ensure that the immune system responds and develops antibodies to the pathogen placed in the vaccine.

    Without an adjuvant, the vaccine may have no effect when injected. Aluminum hydroxide is a common adjuvant used in vaccines (aluminum hydroxide is also an ingredient of antacid tablets).

    It is much more likely that the adjuvant in vaccines is behind the adverse effects (like autoimmune diseases) that vaccines sometimes trigger, rather than a preservative like mercury, if the views of Dr Yehuda Shoenfeld are anything to go by (see adjuvants and autoimmunity).
     
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    Hip
    more like a synergy of many things and the adjuvant is the fuse that lights off the powder train...
    thing is many people have been dosed with poisons from many sources
    Pesticides in food or accidental being hit by a spray
    Aquatic animals with mercury
    Many urban industrial areas dosed with heavy metals
    Teraethyl lead from cars until recently
    etc
     
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    from the toxicological point of view both are known to have similiar LD50 values so one form is as acutely toxic as the other. there is long-term bioaccumulation of mercury in the target organs with both forms.

    http://www.strem.com/catalog/msds/80-2300
    http://chemicalland21.com/lifescience/UH/THIOMERSAL.htm


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  12. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    Do you have any references for this long-term bioaccumulation ethylmercury you mention, because the sources I have read say that ethylmercury does not bioaccumulate.
     
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    ethylmercury itself does not accumulate it is metabolised and then accumulates in the body. if you measure the amount of ethylmercury in your body after a while you will not find any but that doesn't mean that all has left your body.

    i think there are very few studies that compare the toxic effect of both toxins and most or all of them are animal studies so it pretty hard to say how they affect humans.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4091651

    http://www.iom.edu/~/media/FB2289F31ED1407193B4EA6A73D288E0.ashx
     
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    Do you have any figures showing what percentage of ethylmercury is metabolised and accumulates in the body?

    Did you notice in that study you quoted the dose of ethylmercury used was around 1,000 times higher than the quantities of ethylmercury placed in vaccines.
     
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    i don't know the exact figure. perhaps you find a relevant study or try to guess from the study below.

    One study found it is probably at least as high as the % of methylmercury that accumulates long term or higher.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280342/
     
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    OK that study you cited found that the total mercury in the brain was 3 times lower when ethylmercury (from Thimerosal) was given to monkeys, compared to when methylmercury was given.

    It also said that a higher percentage (34%) of the total mercury in the brain converted into inorganic mercury in the ethylmercury-exposed monkeys, compared to the methylmercury-exposed monkeys (where just 7% converted into inorganic mercury).

    So more of the ethylmercury turns into inorganic mercury. Inorganic mercury has a very long half life in the brain (this review estimated it to be years or decades), so inorganic mercury will tend to stay in the brain for a long time.

    However, since there was 3 times less total mercury in the brain in the ethylmercury case, it means that the amount of inorganic mercury left in the brain after ethylmercury or methylmercury exposure is similar.


    So while this study indicates that a percentage of ethylmercury does indeed convert to inorganic mercury which can stay in the brain for years or decades, you would still get more inorganic mercury deposited in the brain from the methylmercury in a can of tuna than you would from a vaccine.



    However, to confound an already complex situation further, I recently came across some claims that selenium, which is found in fish at high levels, may bind to the mercury in the fish to create mercury selenide, which is a form of mercury thought not to be absorbed by the body. So the claims are that this stops the mercury fish from being absorbed into the body. If true, this would make high mercury fish like tuna safer to eat that first assumed. However, I don't think as yet there is enough research to know whether this is true or not.
     
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    you are probably right. i think in the study brain levels of inorganic mercury were twice as high in the ethylmercury group. not all of the methylmercury might get converted. methylmercury may still cause a higher accumulation of inorganic mercury. i don't know. Selenium bound mercury probably does not pass the blood brain barrier so it might be far less neurotoxic. Not all mercury in tuna is selenium bound and tuna derived mercury is still quite neurotoxic.
     

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