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A cynical view of "Stakeholder engagement" (not ME/CFS-specific)

Discussion in 'Action Alerts and Advocacy' started by Dolphin, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

    Just came across the following which resonated with me:

    (this was highlighted in the National ME/FM Action Network magazine)

    I have become suspicious of the value of some initiatives over the years e.g. that the CFSAC is set up partly to allow people vent.

    Anyway, that's not to say such initiatives can't be useful. It's just that having a forum or outlet to vent is not progress by itself.
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  2. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

    Also, it seems to me that representatives who aren't sceptical and engaged can be often be manipulated by those working in these areas.

    And sometimes I get the impression that they're just happy to be in the same room as these impressive people with white coats.
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  3. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Logan, Queensland, Australia
    This comment with respect to CFSAC I have heard more than a few times. Its also arguable that it applies to the CDC.

    In a similar process, it is claimed that co-opting advocacy groups has the same purpose. Get them to cooperate, and give them reason to cooperate, and you can direct where they put their effort.
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  4. Wildcat




    … ‘Ron Duchin graduated from the US Army War College, and served as special assistant to the Secretary of Defence and director of public affairs for the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) before joining Pagan International and then MBD.

    In 1991 he gave a speech to the US National Cattlemen's Association describing how MBD works to divide and conquer activist movements.

    Duchin explained that activists fall into four categories: radicals, opportunists, idealists and realists, and that a three-step strategy was needed to bring them down.

    First, you isolate the radicals: those who want to change the system and promote social justice.

    Second, you carefully `cultivate' the idealists: those who are altruistic, don't stand to gain from their activism, and are not as extreme in their methods and objectives as the radicals.
    You do this by gently persuading them that their advocacy has negative consequences for some groups, thus transforming them into realists.

    Finally, you co-opt the realists (the pragmatic incrementalists willing to work within the system) into compromise.

    “The realists should always receive the highest priority in any strategy dealing with a public policy issue . . .

    If your industry can successfully bring about these relationships, the credibility of the radicals will be lost and opportunists can be counted on to share in the final policy solution.”1

    Opportunists, those who are motivated by power, success, or a sense of their own celebrity, will be satisfied merely by a sense of partial victory.

    “The realists should always receive the highest priority in any strategy dealing with a public policy issue . . .”

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  5. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Logan, Queensland, Australia
    Yes @Wildcat, that is one of my sources for my comment.
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  6. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

    South Australia
    It really depends on intentions. Most government and NGOs don't really intend to actually empower those whom they presume they are helping, so this is unfortunately the norm.

    There are proven alternative frameworks out there, eg :
    It seems fear is the biggest barrier to doing it properly.

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