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4ME - pain after application

Discussion in 'Antivirals, Antibiotics and Immune Modulators' started by MartinK, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. MartinK

    MartinK

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    Hi all!
    I started with the application of 4ME from Kalida shop. KDM recommended it after results.

    I take it daily to the subcutaneous kelp (2cc (ml)) really slow for good absorption, but post-injection sites hurt me very much the following day. This night was terrible - pain around injection site and fever feeling.

    what is your application of 4ME?

    I want to keep the treatment, I believe KDM knows what he doing.
    But if my whole body gets hurt after the injections, it will be a hell...

    I'll be glad for every piece of information with 4ME!

    thanks a lot and brighter day for everyone!
    Martin
     
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  2. Helen

    Helen Senior Member

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    Hi @MartinK ,

    I think you should contact the clinic and KDM. You will surely get a message about how to handle the situation.
    Best of luck!
     
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  3. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    Be careful that you are not moving the needle laterally when you are performing the injection, as that can cause some tissue damage and lead to pain. That's what I found anyway.

    Nexavir / Kutapressin is known for causing pain at the injection site in some patients, but 4ME is supposed to be formulated with less preservative, in order to minimize the pain.
     
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  4. SunMoonsStars

    SunMoonsStars Senior Member

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    Where do you inject ? I use hepapressin and never have any trouble and inject into Glut or Thigh. I Make sure to inject slowly.
    Where do you buy your 4ME. Is that available for public to purchase ?
     
  5. Sushi

    Sushi Moderation Resource Albuquerque

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    I used to inject Nexavir and then 4ME (I can't get either anymore in the US) but I used a lower dose and only 3 times per week as I didn't tolerate the higher dose. I injected 1 cc with a very short, 31 gauge needle into a pinch of fat in the lower belly. I didn't have pain, but we all respond differently. I agree that it would be good to ask KDM what to do.
     
  6. MartinK

    MartinK

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    Hi all!
    thanks a lot with all recommendations...
    I buy 4ME from Kalida shop - not need prescription ;-)

    So far I have applied 4ME to my stomach and leg (KDM prescribe 2ml (cc) / day) - maybe its a limit dose for SC using - application is OK, but next day is place around application a little red and hurts (after 2 days its OK, pain is over), I think it's the expansion of the dose under the skin before it absorbs...only this I thinks...possible?

    Yeah, Im waiting for KDM answer! ;-)

    Martin
     
  7. SunMoonsStars

    SunMoonsStars Senior Member

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    Hi Martin
    You are told by them that the protocol is 2ml every day 7 days a week ?
    Did you find out if 2ml is equivelant to 1ml of old nexovir -kutapressin - hepapressin injections of liver bovine?

    Hope they answer your questions on the injection redness/pain. Your probably correct that it’s taking a couple days to absorb.
     
  8. MartinK

    MartinK

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    Hi all!
    Today KDM sent answer!

    Some of his patients have same problems as me with use 4ME.
    He speaks about Mast Cell Reaction ...and he recommended stopping it.

    In this time I know really little about Mast Cell Reaction (its MCAS?) ....I hear this in my cause this first...
    Indicators of that in my cause is this problems, right? :

    - PGE2
    - IL-8
    - and my 24/7 feelings of huge body inflammation (when I touch something cold, its really pleasant - ) :-/

    It seems that I will sell 2X 4ME full packages and one half package...

    Martin
     
  9. SunMoonsStars

    SunMoonsStars Senior Member

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    Sorry this didn’t work out. You may have been able to work up to dose of give mini doses to desensitize yourself maybe.
     
  10. MartinK

    MartinK

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    KDM says stop it - MCAS :-/
    I will sell 2X 4ME full packages and one half package...
    Anyone?

    Thanks, Martin
     
  11. Sushi

    Sushi Moderation Resource Albuquerque

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    Note: any takers need to be outside of the US as it is a prescription medication in the US.
     

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