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14,000 Volts Electrotherapy Beneficial for CFS?

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by wintersky, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. wintersky

    wintersky

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    Good Day All,

    Found an article that's pretty interesting. It related CFS as a free radical issue & that high Electromotive force/Voltage may possibly combat/reverse free radicals which is said to possibly cause CFS as said in the web page below:

    http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Enews/EnewsDec5,2004.htm

    What's interesting is that i have actually gone for free-for-public electrotherapy sessions in my country almost daily for the past 2 weeks on the behest of my family member who has gone for 1 month+ daily. Totally free 1 hour daily session by the Electrotherapy machine Private Company which uses word-of-mouth-advertising.

    Here, this one that i went to was 14,000V peak voltage, frequency= 90HZ, average voltage= approximately 8,000V.

    Such very high voltage therapy + low frequency is rarely researched except by Japanese researchers (and sadly in Japanese). However, i heard from the Electrotherapy Machine Manager that Japanese researchers have found in a study that such high voltages + low frequency has been found useful in healing 90%+ of patients of multiple conditions previously unresponsive to any form of Western medicine. Such extreme voltage electrotherapy was also endorsed by 9000+ Japanese medical doctors/researchers comprising ALL specialities ranging from heart to neuro etc etc as having actual healing effects for the human body.

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    In my short 2 weeks there, i've met actual cases of profound healing effect never seen before via both Western or Eastern medicine. Anecdotal yes, but it can be approximately said half of the 600 daily visitors actually had actual physical healing effects (some within just 1 to 3 single sessions), including me & my family member & family friends.

    The combating/reversing free radicals effects might be physically seen in individual instances (personally encountered the people having these issues who volunteered information, or from whom i initiated private conversations with).

    - Cell regeneration/healing for multiple organs: liver, kidney failure patients declared by their Specialists & lab tests as having normal healthy functioning organs within a year.

    - Autoimmune type Unabated muscle + joint pains. An autoimmune patient degrading for decades despite both Western + Eastern medicine had pains disappeared within a week of 14,000V electrotherapy.

    - Multiple elderly people had totally 100% white hair start growing black hair in patches within 3 days. Some had a half-head full of black hair

    - Immobility issues of multiple natures: Stroke, Parkinson, viral-induced, unknown origin. Some wheelchair bound patients were able to start walking/driving within a week of such sessions without any walking aids. Some kind of possible neuromuscular/nerve stimulation at work here, instead of combating/reversing free radicals.

    I think the above anecdotal cases might show sufficient proof of effect of combating/reversing free radicals. My family member and i have also experienced multiple obvious healing effects (physically) within just afew days, which i shall not mention here for brevity.

    Personally, i think that the widespread healing effects was due to the radical departure from the usually known electrotherapy methods. Most available electrotherapy machines & studies only did up to 500V with varying low to very high frequencies. Perhaps reversing/combating free radicals should be done with way more extreme voltages to benefit CFS/ME patients?

    Something possibly worth exploring for both CFS/ME patients, if free radicals is a possible initiating cause here. Good luck!

    Wintersky
     
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    I licked a battery once and it gave me a funny tingle,I'm not sure if be upto 14,000 volts.
     
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    Shoot maybe all we need to do is stand outside with a golf club on a stormy day!?! Someone try that and let me know, wouldja?
     
  4. Ellkaye

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    Indeed !
     
  5. roller

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    it seems, that (electro)magnetism is a major part of life.
    definitely all life reacts to it, even strongly so.
    it can be good or detrimental.
    in addition, all life has iron, not very much, but...

    a matter of fact, are the good results of the electroshock therapies of psychiatry back in the 50s.
    gruesome, but it helped many. perhaps it ws one of their most successful treatments ever.

    i would like to know how you feel afterwards, @wintersky ?

    Calm, tired or ?
    do you feel anything special afterwards, even in the days after?
    better bowel-movements?
    something with the muscles?
    pain, breathing, heart, speech, vision, olfactory senses, hearing?

    Do your family members experience other or same things?
     
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  6. wintersky

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    Hi Roller,

    My personal experience as follows (FYI: i dont have CFS now by the way since a decade +):

    1. Immediate Falling Asleep: felt on the same night after my 1st session. Used to take 30mins to 1 hour before falling asleep. There were quite alot people who were insomniac for decades (with consumption of both Eastern + Western medicine) who managed to fall asleep within 3 sessions for many hours onwards.

    2. Smoother + healthier skin definitely: felt immediately by running hand over. Rough skin with eczema type peeling (white dry skin) on elbows disappeared totally.

    3. Slightly Cold Hands & Legs: much warmer & didnt feel cold anymore

    4. Digestion: Absolutely improved digestion & very regular bowel movements. Once a day in mornings now without fail. Used to be 2 to 3 days before 1 toilet visit. & no squishy type of faeces,but the usual healthy type.

    5. Vision: Absolutely crazy vision improvement felt immediately on the same day. Im about 500/500 for both eyes. There were afew crazy temporal moments hours after the session when i had Eagle's Eye vision. Things close or far became perfectly clear like perfect vision. There's been quite afew people, including the old elderly who had even worst vision than mine having perfect vision after afew months.

    6. Pain: ive only felt pain slightly along the arms which dissipated within afew minutes real fast. No pain symptoms for me really that emerged.

    Miscellaneous: Subtle hearing improvement with sounds becoming more distinctive. Muscles became alot better too. Im a totally lazy inert creature who totally doesnt exercise, but ever since the sessions, i walked much faster and with ease too. Slight but distinctive improvement in my white hair becoming black. & much much more energetic! Felt quite fatigued lately, but there was a major crazy energy boost that felt real awesome!

    My elderly family member's experiences:

    She has had frail body, bad digestion, extreme insomnia (1hour daily of sleep only) + extreme underweight all along for decades. 1 week of terrible fever & 3 weeks of coughs that seemed to never go away. After 3 weeks, no more such terrible side effects. For afew days, she had regular bowel movements (not diarrohea) for 10 times per day. It was like all the previously stored undigested food suddenly come out of the body. Since then, she has had regular morning daily bowel movements.

    More importantly, her extreme & extensive varicose veins (along the entire stretch of legs) that popped out a dark hue for quite afew MM practically disappear almost, leaving just a light colour. Definitely much more energetic as she says.

    It sounded quite funny since i also heard the shop's manager talk about this issue afew days ago. He said there were afew people who were totally paralyzed & wheelchair bound got struck by lighting became totally mobile and walking again like a normal human. Of the other 99.9% of people struck by lightning got dead certainly. But what struck a tone with me was that the manager said that of the scientists from multiple countries, nobody paid any attention to this special case except the Japanese Medical Researchers who did more scientific studies for it & came up with multiple versions of electrotherapy devices.

    It's said that in most Japan hospitals, such extreme voltage electrotherapy devices are common. & all Japanese doctors have to undergo a module on Electrotherapy before being allowed to graduate to be a certified doctor.

    This whole business sounds pretty funny. But in my few weeks going for the free daily sessions, i have PERSONALLY encountered multiple people with multiple varying conditions of all kinds (diabetes, cancer, undiagnosable illnesses etc etc) got healed. From one single therapy method sounds radical. I was laughing away when my family member told me about it. & it didnt sound funny anymore when i actually went there for myself & encountered the people personally & felt the effects myself too :)

    & what's more, the best thing is i didnt even pay a cent for all these free Electrotherapy sessions at all & it'll stay the same for many more years to come. The Electrotherapy Company Manager (by his own kind personality) in fact encourages people to freeload, especially the elderly and the poor. Some people ive met have already gone for free daily sittings for years ;)
     
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  7. wintersky

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    Good Day All,

    Just in case this sounds like i'm making up a One-Man Fairytale story about miraculous broad range healing effects, found a blog online which was talking about the same healing anecdotes from extreme 14,000 volts. The blogger also shares her personal healing effects in her other older blog posts which was similar to my experience too.

    So in short, from all the above & other type of anecdotal healing cases ive seen myself, overall, theres some kind of unknown process by which such extreme voltages gives the following healing effects:

    1. Pain relief
    2. Some kind of neuromuscular/nerve stimulation as seen via Stroke, Parkinsons
    3. Muscle stimulation/strengthening allowing patients with long-term degraded muscles to get much more mobile or even walk. There were immobile patients who had physiotherapy for years to no avail managing to function normally/even walk without walking aid after this. This would probably be of interest to ME patients. An elderly family friend who has minor leg problems said after her 2nd session that her legs felt alot lighter & was also able to walk dramatically faster too
    4. Broad Range Body Normalizing functions: high or low blood pressure, extreme red/white blood cell count & tonnes of other lab metrics normalized within months.
    5. Anti-viral effect: Patients with perpetual daily flu-symptoms (non-allergy) & lab test viral readings
    6. Allergies/Asthma
    7. Reversing Free radical effect: One instance here might be a 70 year old woman who still had menstruation & gave birth to a baby after 10 years of daily 1hour sessions.

    My country's government & Prime Minister dispatched doctors to check for a medical hoax many years ago & for possible prosecution, & in the end nothing came out of it & if i remember correctly also, word was that the Prime Minister also bought afew of the machines too. LOL.

    Wintersky
     
  8. wintersky

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    This part below is the personal experience of the previously said blogger after 7 sessions. Her immediate observable improvements were quite similar to mine:

    There are tonnes of personally-experienced anecdotes that are daily shared during each session for those who are not shy to share. 2,000 people+ people visit free daily at 3 locations total in my country. In my session yesterday for instance, a 70+ year old grandmother shared her personal story of damaged nerves which also affected her optic nerves & her vision. 2 years of medicine & constant injections did not help & it was degrading all the way & her Specialists insisted on surgery for many months. Within 2 weeks of daily sessions, her condition improved so much that her Specialists were totally surprised & said that she did not need to have surgery.

    It's unfortunate that we can only talk about anecdotes here as all the studies/research (& multiple books) are written in Japanese (due to insufficient interest by most countries). It's said that within Japan itself, 6,000 hospitals use electrotherapy machines & that 1 in 3 households have their very own high voltage (9,000V) electrotherapy device. It would be nice if someone who knows Japanese would be able to dig out & translate such stuff for us ;)

    The next closest electrotherapy modality to such extreme voltages would be High Voltage Pulse Current (HVPC) which might be said to be quite far off at 500V along with their scientific studies. Other than that, i can only find in Chinese language alot of very technical & medically lengthy writings of effects of extreme voltages on the human body written only in Chinese. I'll see if i have the competence to translate better or else post the link & let Google translate do a not-so-good job here :)

    Wish you all a nice day ahead,
    Wintersky
     
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    @wintersky

    While this is interesting do you have any citations beyond anecdotal experiences about this treatment. Maybe a site explaining how it works?

    This therapy sounds almost too good to be true but it's difficult to say one way or another by patient experiences.

    I'd be interested in more details and names of these clinics.

    It may be telling that this treatment doesn't have a lot of research behind it and there's little interest. Of course this may not be accurate but it's difficult to sort this out.

    Thanks.
     
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    I'd want some good evidence before wiring myself up!

    Sounds barmy.

    The integrity research institute article is from 2004, and not much seems to have come of it.
     
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    I wish too there was a proper site with proper documentations in English of how it all works, along with statistics of scientific studies, but theres none as far as i can find in English. That's why i was hoping for someone literate in Japanese who would be able to search out the actual scientific studies etc online. There's only distributor websites around.

    For this particular 14,000V machine (Japanese brand), it might be the only one in the world as it only came out in the last 4 years or so. There's wide proliferation of up to 9,000V machines though in the past few decades. For this particular company that ive gone to, so far they have marketed in Singapore, Malaysia, Hongkong, United States etc.

    It sounded too good to be true for me at first too, as my elderly family member was very excited about it. That's why since the day ive started my free sessions, ive privately initiated talks personally with people sitting beside me to check for a hoax. So far, what i've found is that everyone has had some kind of obvious slight to major improvement with their primary or secondary ailments/illnesses. The only people who have not detected any changes were those who only sat for afew days up to 1 week usually. I have personally initiated talks with about 30+ people so far during the times i was there & it was the same similar response. Every session too, from the people who sat for free, the Company Representative would also highlight 1 to 2 cases of special Chronic healing cases from people actually there.

    One other thing that's interesting is that for some, the healing of chronic conditions, there's no predictability (with regards to the Chronic primary ailment) the length of time taken to see significant improvement. Some see improvements within days, while others usually only see improvements after a year. At the same time, for initial adjustment side effects, only some people with severe chronic illnesses have those instead of mostly all as i personally expected.

    An alternate comparison with High Voltage Pulsed Current (HVPC) at 500V & a simple overview of the scientific studies might be seen at this link:

    http://www.electrotherapy.org/modality/high-voltage-pulsed-current-hvpc

    There is a thin pamphlet promoting the company's machines etc but it contains nothing descriptive. That's why i was trying to see if i can translate an ultra-lengthy webpage in Chinese (not from same company) describing such Extreme Voltages about what they supposed mechanisms they work on. I'll be able to only translate one long section at a time as it's full of medical jargon & Google Translate works messy on it. This source so far (from my 1/2hour search) seems to contain the most information than compared to searching in English, but the downside is that i dont really know the source & they're scientifically unsubstantiated highly-detailed descriptions.

    This free sitting Company that i go to changes shop locations every 4 to 6 months around my small island/country to gain new visitors. Currently, the one that i go to in the East side of my country will exist till January 29 for instance.

    I didnt ask about the other 2 precise addresses as i only go this one as it's only 2km away from my house, in Singapore.

    The address for the blogger in her country can be found here:
    http://greedycats.blogspot.sg/2015/01/cosmo-dr-electrotherapy-come-try-its.html

    Wish you all a good day,
    Wintersky
     
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    @wintersky

    Can you tell me the difference between these devices and pulsed electro-magnetic field ones please?
     
  13. wintersky

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    Hi Brenda,

    The average & peak voltage here for this would be 20 to 30 times higher as compared to High Voltage Pulsed Current (HVPC) which goes at about 500V (and lesser). The voltage i went for increases gradually up to 14,000V from low voltage & down again every 5 minutes (multiple fixed voltage mode is available but they choose this mode for public use).

    The waveform shapes would also be different. For HVPC, there seems to be monophasic wavforms etc while the one i went for displayed sinusoid type shapes and variations from that. So you can say that the HVPC current is of high peak but low average format while the one that i went for was gradually increasing but closer to sustained average current.

    There was also 4 modes to adjust for the one i went to, ABCD which they generalize for short to represent RESP: Relax (they say it relaxes the brain particularly), Enhance, Stimulate, Pain Management. They would switch the modes once every week to reduce dependency & loss of body response to electrotherapy. I cannot definitely affirm if the ABCD functions correspond to the waveform shapes, but i did feel very stimulated internally during 1 session of Mode S while yesterday i was trying very very hard to not fall asleep every single moment at the 2nd half of yesterday's session (i've never felt such strong sleeping effect in my entire life). It took every ounce of mental effort to stay awake.

    My Epileptic friend (who had an attack 4 days ago) was extremely nervous & jittery constantly (as is common for her many many days after a series of 3 attacks in 1 day every monthly) & she did not have the sleeping effect, but after the session immediate, she said she had 1hour+ of very calm & relaxed disposition & was able to really smile too. Though after 1hour+ the effects dissipated & she resumed being very nervous+ jittery (her 4th time at the free sessions).

    I did not enquire about more technical details. The Company's Representative & Manager were totally not keen on promoting their product verbally & more details would only be available under further individual inquiry. There's 1/2hour+ of lecture during the seating but it was just mostly on non-promotion-related general illness & health knowledge. They just said that if one finds it good, just tell other people to try for free sessions, whereas if one finds no benefits to not come anymore (pure word of mouth advertising & they dont do advertiements etc).

    This is not some kind of definite 100% cure. As the manager was saying, there have been tonnes of doctors who themselves bought the machines (& swore the manager to secrecy to not reveal their names) & were healed from their own chronic illnesses including cancers, but at the same time, the manager said a rare case of non-effectiveness was his own mum who had been suffering from cancer was not totally healed from this extreme voltage electrotherapy.

    Wish you all a Good Day,
    Wintersky
     
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    The effects posted below are the more detailed of what ive seen online via a Chinese search. I dont have as much knowledge of the Western/Modern medical side as much as you all, & dont understand the full implications of some of the said body-influences below, but i see that quite some of the said influences seem to corroborate quite well with healing of the multiple & varying illnesses of the real life cases ive seen personally during my free Electrotherapy sessions. So i would say that this might be a close representation of what high-voltage electrotherapy effects might occur for the human body.

    What i find interesting also is that theres a frequent mention at multiple sites of Bioelectric potential with young people noted as having 6 Volts, middle aged people having 3 Volts & old people have only 2 Volts, which was also mentioned during my Electrotherapy session.

    The more critical points are quoted below. The other information in the page are more of background information & longer & general viewpoints. I've only done minor editing after using Google Translate. This is from a different brand than the one ive been sitting & i am only not sure if Function D: Wave Function is also available in the machine i am having free sessions with, though ive observed personally some of the same effects (improved blood circulation & slight warming effect)

    Wish you all a Good Day ahead,
    Wintersky
     
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    I think most of you have already read the above Sarah Myhill research even before this. So ATP seems like a possible issue here due to mitochondrial dysfunction. Mitochondrial dysfunction & oxidative stress are too closely related like chicken and egg, impossible to tell which came first perhaps. & the presence of negative ions would reduce oxidative stress causing nearby atoms to be destabilized (Electrons taking away from nearby atoms in Oxidative stress conditions). Correlation does not necessarily imply causation, i know, but this does imply Negative Ion Electrotherapy might have a chance to increase ATP energy & help CFS/ME.

    But what's interesting is that there was a guy who had possible CFS as a diagnosis before & he had an interesting idea to breathe in negative ions direct to the face throughout the night, with observable energy increase for many days to come.

    Personally, for delivery/transport mechanism aspect, i would say Electrotherapy has a much greater benefit in delivery mechanism than any Consumable medicine

    1. Consumable medicine would need to depend on a good state of digestive system, which many of us here may not have knowingly/unknowingly. There are also quite some people here with strong stomach sensitivities

    2. Even if one has a strong digestive system, many of us here have multiple chronic conditions/symptoms concurrently. The transport system may be not functioning properly ie poor blood circulation/microcirculation etc & the nutrients/substances may not be able to penetrate or reach the affected/diseased cells.

    On the other hand, the human body has low body resistance. Most existing electrotherapy are found to have varying effects even at just 100V to 500V. At 14,000V, there would very unlikely be any problems of penetration deep into the body interior. Also, electrotherapy here would not need to depend nor assume on the state of one's digestive capability nor biological transport systems etc etc.

    Additionally, Negative ions + High Voltage direct into the body would be so much better as negative ions would be able to penetrate deep into the body instead of breathing/external skin absorption when using the usual negative ions generator which are too dispersed into the air to affect the body deep interior.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Wish you all a Good Day ahead,
    Wintersky
     
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  16. Justin30

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    Wintersky,

    You said you had cfs?

    For how long? What were your symptoms?
    Who diagnosed you?

    Where is the link to see this machine?

    Thank you
     
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    Oh God the anti-western medicine guy who can cure cfs.... Didn't you say China already cured your cfs in the other thread with thousand year old medicine ?
     
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    @Justin30 Hi Justin. You can read below. My symptom list there isnt exhaustive. I wasnt formally diagnosed too. Whether i do/do not have CFS would be a matter of your personal judgement.

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...very-by-tcm-tcm-issues-q-a.40176/#post-645257

    The machine link is here:
    http://greedycats.blogspot.sg/2015/01/cosmo-dr-electrotherapy-come-try-its.html

    Hi, Panckage. The other thread was very long so it's probable you didnt read enough & came to the wrong conclusions. Personally, on the whole, i believe in careful integrated treatments of Western/Modern + Eastern modalities but am against specific lengthy issues which i shall not discuss here.

    Also, i'm sharing this electrotherapy modality because i have personally witnessed it's effectiveness (for non-CFS healing). I've personally encountered hundreds of people with all kinds of varying chronic conditions who have been healed totally after having no improvements (or declared incurable) from Western/Modern medicine or Eastern Medicine or both together for decades. Personally, I think what's relevant here is that these are cases of healing in the actual complicated world where there are often multiple complicated co-existing illnesses in a single person, instead of numbers of some studies which we cannot personally verify to work in the actual world.

    Thousand year old medicine? Million year old bacteria? Or zillion year old crystal? Doesnt matter what the treatment modality is. I think the idea here is to keep trying anything possibly worth trying & not stick to the same modality for many long years if there's no significant improvement/total healing.

    FYI: i prefer to be a thousand-year Catsy. Meoww :)

    Wish you all a Good Day Ahead,
    Wintersky
     
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  19. hvac14400

    hvac14400 fatty & acid : )

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    hehehe, 14000 volts, somehow this thread is buzzed with me, lol.
     
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    Good Day All,

    Just a further update about what happened since. I've bought the machine for about 3 months already. It's not cheap, but worth it to me & my family. The improvements noted in my family & Epileptic friend (who comes for daily sessions) as follows:

    1. My elderly Mum: Daily Conjunctivitis infections disappeared mostly. Extreme eye dryness condition improved dramatically. A high-level Eye Specialist declared major improvement & gave her half the usual dosage for multiple internal & external medications. Able to tolerate much more foods now especially unhealthy foods (oily, fried etc) without side effects like coughs etc. Feels dramatically less Cold when going Air-Conditioned places & able to stay in cold places many times longer than before.

    2. Epileptic friend: Brain fog & memory improved significantly. Severe anxiety reduced dramatically after each attack (the extent of not being able to work for afew days after) & being more calm and able to smile post-attack. Dizziness & Vertigo decreased significantly too. In the process of weaning off AED(anti-depressants) with no difficulty to date. . Digestion & appetite recovered from 2 meals a day to 3 meals daily with no more bloating/indigestion. Feeling very cold symptoms reduced significantly too. Able to tolerate windy conditions significantly too.

    *Note: A decade of Conventional & Alternative Treatments gave no significant improvements to her condition, except electrotherapy so far & so her family is buying the machine too.

    3. Brother (healthy): Once-every-3-days constipation dissipated within 2 days of usage. Regular bowel movements daily.

    4. Arthritis Sister: Problems with walking reduced. Edema improved. Noted legs felt better & being able to walk alot faster than before.

    5. Me (healthy): More energy & more regular bowel movements.

    Wish you all good healing,
    Wintersky
     
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